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[–] maidenthailand@lemmy.world 184 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Literally shoot me if this becomes a reality. I don't want my ability to travel to be dependent on something with a steadily dying battery.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

From the article, it sounds more like they're using shared databases and facial recognition more than smartphones or similar. So they'd presumably have the requisite devices at customs.

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That doesn’t sound better. I get the shared databases, though it does introduce security issues. But the facial recognition that’s been proven flaked and flawed and based on biometric data that can be leaked and never changed… no thank you.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Fantastic, because we all know facial ID has no problems identifying non-white people.

I can see it now: Idris Elba getting picked up by the feds because O’Hare fired this thing up and recorded 700 Idris Elba’s All boarding different flights using different names.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Agreed. And even if there are devices plugged in and always running and (miraculously) always functional, what do you do in a disaster situation where all infrastructure is knocked out? That is the exact time you'd want to make sure there are no impediments to foreign support being able to enter the country. But with nothing physical to fall back on for identification, what would you do?

I'm all for digitizing currency and the like, I really never carry cash anymore. But ID documents are still crucial to have physical copies of, and the passport remains the only internationally recognized standard.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I say don't worry. There's no way they will be able to change this system anytime soon. Even if airports are able to accommodate the change, it will be extremely hard for all borders and other checkpoints to do the same. We know how slow progress is for stuff like this. If this is implemented, it will not mean passports won't still be required for a long time. My guess is a minimum of 20 years at the least before seeing any change.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

New film plot: the airport's facial recognition system can't tell the difference between the intended copilot and their identical twin, a terrorist. Question is, is it a comedy about bureaucracy or an edge-of-your-seat thriller?

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

"Starring Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart"

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 5 months ago

Not just a dying battery, but a fragile screen, malware, and a tendency to get stolen.

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[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 60 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll add this to the list of things that were working just fine that we're about to break along with using a passport to board a plane.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There is no way EU will go along with this passport alternative, no matter how much google and apple lobby them

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago

Germany will be thst last country to allow such level of digitalization.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 52 points 5 months ago
[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“You'll own nothing and you'll be happy”

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I mean, you never owned your passport, ever.

If you look at the very first page, it says “ property of the US government” and then there’s some blurb about tampering being a felony.

Same thing for a diver’s license. You don’t own it, your state does.

I do agree that moving to digital identification is a huge mistake. It’s too easy to lose access to a digital device or account. Or have it spoofed in some way. I’d much rather have a physical ID that won’t run out of battery or have a glitch that makes accessing it impossible for an unknown length of time.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 27 points 5 months ago

Thats a bit tame, first page of the British passport is:

"His Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of His Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary"

Oi you, this is my mate and you're going to look after him, alright.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Plus the republicans would lose their damn minds over this prospect. E-ID for elections? Never.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

lol a passport should come with a TOS agreement 300 pages long.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“One day there will be no borders, no boundaries, no flags and no countries and the only passport will be the heart” - Carlos Santana

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 36 points 5 months ago

But also we'll track everyone everywhere they go, with facial recognition.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We'll go extinct eventually so that's true.

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[–] thbb@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't have a mobile phone. How is that supposed to work? Will owning a specific object and attached subscription to a private entity be mandated by law?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

More and more not complying with digitalization will get you into trouble. I don't think it will be mandatory but expect to run into delays, similar to how you technically have the right to refuse the x-ray-like machine at airport security, but doing so is time consuming, everyone will hate you for it, and cause you significant delays, on top of making you look suspicious.

And it sucks.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I quit flying (domestically, at least) over the x-rays and TSA bullshit. I'm driving 13 hours today in order to avoid that particular security theater.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Can't wait for high speed rail to be common and cheaper in Europe. I just hate everything about airports and flying. I already only fly if I have time constraints. I'll gladly take a train for 10 hours instead of a 1 hour flight (which requires more than 1 hour commuting, being 2 hours early, waiting for luggage, then commuting back, so that 1 hour is more like 4).

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[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The headline overreaches as the article doesn't support the passport dying as much as some early exploration into potential digital variants, and some convenience efforts to not have to show the passport.

Dying would be "most people use the digital variant, it's accepted everywhere and we're phasing out the paper variant".... which sounds like it might happen on the same timeline as large scale fusion energy

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Clickbait/Ragebait Journalism in a nutshell.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I heard Luigi shot the paper passport as a warmup.

[–] moe90 17 points 5 months ago
[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

No it's not? Literally just got a new passport and they didn't say anything about digital passport

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is called manufacturing consent. News media tells you what future the elites want so it seems inevitable and desired when they force it through. Alternative futures can never be considered.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 14 points 5 months ago

This is called manufacturing consent.

Lives on my shelf.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

No, the proper term is "clickbait". If there's no drive to make this a reality, don't invent one and attribute it to shadowy forces.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

The headline says dying, not dead. And the article is about new methods of ID verification, some of which are already in place. I fly for work a lot, and I rarely have to show any ID nowadays. Clear gets my ID from an eye scan and gives that to TSA. Delta and Air France use my face scan at the gate instead of checking my passport when I fly internationally. The only check for my passport now is when I drop off my bags.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

That new passport of yours most likely has a chip in it already so you can just swipe it a a border on one of those big machines with cameras... most new passports do... yay.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have 3 passports, how does it know which one I want to use?

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