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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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United Healthcare CEO gets murdered, many celebrate, lemmy.world mod(s?) pile on the temp bans and delete posts (lemmy.zip)
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I said something along the lines of:

"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."

Along with

"Nah, the more dead ~~corpos~~ dragons, the better."

In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.

...

Good ole' civility clause.

Whats the paradox of tolerance?

.world mods have never heard of it I guess.

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

dios mío, A LIBERAL!

​I think they should make a post addressing this but it is pretty funny to see people's reactions

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm just here to point out that everyone's going to use the downvote button as a "disagree" button and the upvote as "agree," and there's nothing anyone can do to stop us. You can't hold back the tide.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes.

As an anarchist, I am keenly aware that rules are merely suggestions, and are utterly meaningless when no system exists to actually enforce them.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole thing is all just made up. There are no "rules" written down like there are for software systems. There are just shared habits and models of the world, and traditions for how to react. In general, people agree and keep it all consistent enough from day to day that the rules in their heads translate into behavior and dependable systems in the real world. But it's all just made up. It's just people deciding what to do, every minute, in every society, based on what they decide in their brain, no matter how strict the "rules" that supposedly exist are.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Like how we could 'make up' having a healthcare system that provides universal affordable care to all citizens, but instead ... we ...

(not actually all of us, actually the extremely wealthy and influential people who control government policy and all the media that tells us what to think about government policy)

... 'we' make up a horrible, unjust system that perpetuates suffering, violence and death, so that a tiny minority of people can profit!

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What I'm saying is that there is no mechanical system that puts those particular people in charge.

We had the gilded age, we had the labor battles that laid the foundation for the working economy of the 20th century, we had the New Deal and prosperity for a lot of people, then we let it get away from us and the crooks took charge again. But it all can change. We can make it different. People have fought their way back to good government from places a million times worse than modern-day America.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by mechanical.

Obviously there is not a physical machine like a 3d printer that produces a sociopoliticaleconomic system.

But there are absolutely empirically verified theories within sociology, political science, and economics which describe why historical events happened with a pretty good degree of accuracy, and a lot of them do function pretty mechanistically to predict likely future outcomes, though with a wider margin of possibility than physics predicting a physical machine.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 2 months ago

I'm saying that nothing enforces these particular people being in charge, other than everyone agreeing that these are the people in charge, and that can change.

It has, in huge ways, for better and worse depending, all throughout history.

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I looked at the logs myself, and it absolutely was power tripping. Jury nullification discussion isn't even illegal for fucks sake.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

PTB, comments celebrating a person who's horrible are not encouraging violence. This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.

for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.

I think this comment snippet speaks for itself honestly.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.

"for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us."

The dastardly, scurilous, vile agenda that human life is sacred. Well done Sherlock, you uncovered the next Hitler.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can't comment on bans/deservedness. Lemmy is infested with mods/agents/bots that are pro empire/CIA/military paid protectors of disinformation and said empire.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

I don’t think a tankie has any right to complain about propaganda online.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The policy is happening at the lemmy.world level, not the individual mod level.

It's right there in the Terms of Service (which nobody actually ever reads):

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

"1. Attacks on users or groups 

Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."

We faced the same problem in the Politics community when Henry Kissinger died.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You ever notice that you only circle the wagons to defend the worst? Always seem to go out of your way to do it too. I don't see any threats in that picture. Nothing that even could be reasonably called a threat. Yet up pops Jordan to save the day. Almost like clockwork.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Best or worst doesn't enter into it, it's simply policy. People might not LIKE that it's the policy, more likely they never read the policy in the first place.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seems more like opinion than policy to me.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

As somebody else pointed out, the policy is calls for violence against living creatures. What is the connection with being happy that somebody has already died?

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

But I’m not calling for violence. It already happened. And it’s not against something living, at least not anymore.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.

So lemmy.world forbids discussion about hunting?

About fishing?

About organized industrial agriculture?

About austerity measures?

About prison systems?

About police?

...

I'll give you that my comment about hoping more corpos die actually breaks those rules, but uh, I'm using lemmy on mobile, through an app.

It would be helpful to list this rule in the instance sidebar that mobile users can actually see.

...

But anyway, this says nothing about celebrating or joking about a violence that has already happened.

Celebration and jokes, on their own, are not threats nor calls for violence.

If you wanna say that you're not allowed to celebrate or joke about violence that happened to a person or thing, without threatening or calling for further violence (like my smiling comment, and many other recently deleted for tos comments) it would probably be a good idea to actually have a rule for that.

... Also, can you harass or perpetuate violence against a dead person?

... Is it considered violence if you mock a dead person? Harassment?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that’s some lib shit if I’ve ever seen it. There’s no reason to write the rules so narrowly, but if you do and you coincidentally only enforce it against people threatening power, you deserve the vegan police in your reports constantly.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey look, it’s the shitty Zionist bootlicking mod themselves.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A running tally of my proudest moments.

Oh, but I bet you thought that was some kind of gotcha, didn’t you? Like some neckbeard white redditor from Portland is gonna make me feel bad about being uncivil in his fiefdom.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, it means users with a track record of uncivil comments can simply be dismissed with a subtle jerking off motion.

Your opinions are always the same, have no value, add nothing to the communities in which you pretend to participate.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

I've seen your pictures, I'm sure you're pretty familiar with that motion.

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok, challenge accepted: every instance I come across from .world that has any indication of violence against anything living, well, I'll be reporting that, and I expect the mods to follow up on it quickly.

I'll start with the gardening instances, since plants do feel pain, and thus any pruning/harvesting/etc is an act of violence, and I'm surprised the .world mods haven't shut down such a violent instance.

Wait, they need to be banned outright, actually, because in order to garden, users are going to have to suggest that people dig into the dirt, and that's a pretty blatant call of violence against all organisms, including those at the microscopic level.

Better delete the woodworking instance too, since the only way to work with wood is to kill a tree and dismember its body, often skinning it immediately after it's been sawed off at the knees, juuuuuuust fresh enough to feel all the pain but not enough to fight back.

What an absolute joke.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Many of us .world mods had nothing to do with these deletions and bannings and I would caution you against this sort of flag abuse in the communities I moderate. It looks like you have already started.

If you have an issue with what happened with the mods in c/news, don't take it out on the rest of us.

We hardly ever even delete comments in Ten Forward, let alone ban people.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Ooooh, he cautions us. How scary. I’m shivering in my bunny slippers here.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Or you could clarify your instance wide rules, which were apparently the justification for deleting a lot of what just got deleted?

I'm not gonna go around report flagging everything, I'm not that petty, and I don't know who's in charge of instance wide vs community specific rules, but maybe the core lemmy admin/mod crew should all actually clarify that you're not allowed to joke about or celebrate people's deaths, and that you don't actually mean that any threat of violence toward any living thing is actually against TOS.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's not flag abuse. It's clearly written in the instance TOS.

"We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I reported things that belong to the .world instance, and therefore fall under the .world rules under the .world Terms of Service we all agreed to.

I have nothing against you or your community, and hope you're doing well healthwise.

But I've also seen you rail against "not all cops are bad" as the lie you know it is in various comment sections, and now you're using the same excuse as to why your forum shouldn't be criticized. "We're not part of that, bring it up with them, even though we belong to the same org."

The rules apply to all of the forums on the instance, or it should apply to none of them. And if such radical thinking, the notion rules should be applied evenly and not be so broad to allow anything to meet the definition, results in me being banned from .world, then I welcome it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude, you're pissed off at one group of people (actually, it looks like one specific person) and attacking a totally different group because of it. That's what is going to get you banned. But it also sounds like that's what you want to happen, so I guess enjoy that.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it's one specific person, shouldn't the rest of you, y'know, do something about it?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you expect me to do about the one specific person they are pissed off at? Even if they are justifiably pissed off, what exactly do you think it is in my power to do?

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd assume that the rest of the mods could stop a rogue mod from blatantly abusing their power. But if you can't, nevermind.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

First of all, Jordan is in no way a "rogue mod."

Secondly, Ten Forward mods (and mods in other communities that have nothing to with this) can't do anything about News mods. This guy is just taking it out on us because he apparently can't take it out on who he wants to take it out on. And they're reporting a ton of posts.

They reported a fucking meme with Picard holding a gun for fuck's sake. I didn't even know any of this shit was going on until this started.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oh Jordan is absolutely a rogue mod and always has been. I've seen his work before.

Dude regularly removes stuff that doesn't break any rules.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay well that's really not Ten Forward's problem or Lemmy Shitpost's problem. He doesn't mod in either of those. There are admins for a reason. This is just this person childishly annoying people who had nothing to do with it.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Fair. But regular users can't do anything about it so we're bringing it to the attention of other moderators in the hopes that they can help.

That other guy's "protest" is misguided, but what the fuck else can we do?

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The bans seem to be lifted.

[–] little_cow@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

yes i only banned for 24 hours so that more information could be found additionally there were directions that people encouraging, cheering, making joke of, discussing payment, or of jury nullification are against the terms of service for lemmy.world. as of now there is new information regarding this section of the terms of service which will be announced and explained by the admins. i am sorry to those that feel i was excessive we have discuss this among the moderators and will use the lock power to reduce the moderator workflow. for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us. i recognize my bias in this and will work to be more restrained going forward.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

You are perfect... For Reddit. Go back there.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Sorry for the double reply. I'll create a list of alternatives to .world communities here; I'll also add the ones you guys suggest, as long as not from .ml (as .ml and .world are apparently peas from the same pod.)

technology: !technology@lemmy.zip

politics: !uk_politics@feddit.uk (UK), !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net (USA), !canadapolitics@lemmy.ca (Canada), !australianpolitics@aussie.zone (Oz), !politics@beehaw.org (allegedly world, in practice USA)

news: !world@quokk.au , !globalnews@lemmy.zip

comic strips: I couldn't find any general comm, but there's !cyanideandhappiness@lemm.ee and !thefarside@sh.itjust.works

microblog memes: !best_of_mastodon@sh.itjust.works , !whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works , nonpoliticaltwitter@civilloquy.com

political memes: !politicalmemes@lemmy.ca , !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com

memes: !memes@sopuli.xyz

ask lemmy: !asklemmy@lemm.ee

movies and animattion: !movies@lemm.ee , !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , !animation@lemm.ee . Specifically for Japanese anime there's ani.social (the whole instance).

EDIT: apparently the moderators apologised, including in this thread. So what I said that both are peas from the same pod might be inaccurate - it's a matter of scale.

.It's funny that, when I created a list of .ml alternatives, some entitled prick was lying/assuming/bullshitting that I was trying to kill LW - since I didn't list any LW comm. If the prick said the same now it would be true. [Still blocked because I got no time for assumers.]

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So are you saying that in those communities celebrating murder is encouraged or what?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

I'm saying that those communities are not in an instance where the admins enforce hidden rules, unlike .world and .ml. At least, not as far as I know.

Is this clear now?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For world@quokk.au, you’re free to celebrate good news such as a CEO getting an early retirement package.

But say like if you celebrated an activist or leftist dying etc, it would be frowned upon and assessed on a case-by-case basis.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I find it very good that this community is becoming the de-facto central point to ensure mods are kept in check and that such comments can be made and found.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz -1 points 2 months ago

Ditto; I don't know if you planned this role for the comm, but it feels like a natural evolution - from complaining about mod abuse to acting against it.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, .world is full of slightly right of center normies and pussies.