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[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 145 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"It's just a fact of life" he says in only country where this happens regularly

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how other countries deal with this fact of life

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What makes you think that other countries are real?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Well apparently I'm actually in some sort of Truman Show dome.

Australia Doesn’t Exist

And y'all know about the so-called "gun laws" here and how swiftly and easily everything got changed. Seems too good to be true 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Sounds fake, I'm gonna need another mountain of needlessly dead children to find out.

This place is fucking stupid.

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, according to types like Vance, you live in an oppressive hellscape worse than any on the planet.

I ended up on a YouTube video of an officer involved shooting in QLD. The amount of comments gleefully exclaiming “but I thought Aus outlawed all guns?”, “lucky guns are illegal there” and further carry on about all the laws “forcibly” being brought in doing nothing. The amount of comment saying it was retribution for covid lockdown (lmao). This country doesn’t exist except as a political talking point to some of those types.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

19 Countries with the Most School Shootings (total incidents Jan 2009-May 2018 - CNN):

United States — 288

Mexico — 8

South Africa — 6

Nigeria & Pakistan — 4

Afghanistan — 3

Brazil, Canada, France — 2

Azerbaijan, China, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Kenya, Russia, & Turkey — 1

Source

Other countries just have less to deal with.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!

-Americans probably

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Wait til you look at homicide by firearm and realise that the US is more dangerous that some countries in active war.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 44 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Trump had multiple agencies on site providing security when some loon climbed up and started shooting. Said security even spotted him but jumped away rather than engage the shooter. Trump's head almost got blown off during what is arguably one of the best case security scenarios.

Do with that what you will, JD.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Trump's head almost got blown off

There but for the grace of Satan..

[–] TheDeadHorse@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So he's unequivocally stating that there is nothing he plans on doing to reduce the killing of children. If you support no action, this is the guy you should support.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In the article he calls for bolstering security at schools. Which I always find funny because what if.... And this is a wild idea... But what if there's a shooting at a location other than a school? Not to mention that studies have shown that the presence of armed guards in schools doesn't actually do much to deter shootings.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago

Why would armed guards have an impact? These kids that plan on shooting up their schools are planning it as a suicide mission. It's a super elaborate suicide by cop, taking out as many of their classmates and tormentors, perceived or otherwise, as possible. Armed guards aren't going to help. Stricter rules on guns and mental fucking health care might, but that would be actually doing something that the vast majority of Americans support, and we can't do that. If we let people think overwhelming support for something gets it then they may get uppity and start demanding other things, like unions and healthcare

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[–] JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Guns have more rights than our children

[–] Hobthrob@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If all children of American politicians were legally required to attend public schools and integrate into common classes I think we’d see sweeping implementation of gun laws real quick. Might also force them to improve the quality of public schools.

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[–] civilfolly@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why don’t they just arm all the kids?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They've already got 2 arms. You wanna give them more?

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"No Way to Prevent This," Says Couch Fucker From Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The Ohio senator was asked by a journalist what can be done to stop school shootings. He said further restricting access to guns, as many Democrats advocate, won’t end them, noting they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws. He touted efforts in Congress to give schools more money for security.

I always find this weird because it just completely glosses over the possibilities of A) the restrictions not really doing anything/enough, B) the incredible ease by which someone can just... Go to another state, and C) how absurdly easy it is to purchase firearms in the secondary market.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

they happen in states with both lax and strict gun laws.

Can he back that up with a reputable source?
Seems he is full of weird shit.

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

His argument isn't even a valid/honest one. Take Illinois and Chicago specifically. They have stricter gun laws, but when a gun store in Indiana is just a 20-30 minute drive away those restrictions don't do much because of how close by a place with lax laws is.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Security will be automatically better if there are less guns.

Less guns > Security

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Whoa there pardner, the only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It's only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.

Oh look... another school shooting today.

[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

"It's a tragic day, four days into the school year," Gahler said at a news conference.

Fucking grim

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[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

JD being a couch-fucking weirdo is a fact of life as well.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah that worked real well in Uvalde while they all stood in the hall for a couple of hours.

[–] Westdragon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Somehow I get the impression his idea of "better security" is the local team of Gravy Seals patrolling campus looking for "trouble". Trouble being minorities, girls, kids who look at them funny. That kind of thing.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not that you would ever want to live in Mexico but:

Between 2004 and 2024, Mexico has recorded 17 school shootings, while the United States has experienced a staggering 288 school shootings from 2009 to 2018 alone, with the U.S. averaging over 87 incidents annually. The disparity is significant: the U.S. has seen over 57 times the number of school shootings compared to the combined total of the other G7 countries during the same period. In contrast, the school shootings in Mexico have generally resulted in fewer fatalities, with most incidents resulting in zero to two deaths. This stark difference highlights the severity of gun violence in U.S. schools compared to those in Mexico, where school shootings are less frequent and often less deadly. The motivations behind these shootings also vary, with the U.S. incidents often linked to mental health issues, bullying, and a desire for notoriety.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/for-journalism-how-many-school-d7tCaQlBQ1W9yLVyFxmy_A

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Japan had zero. France, Germany, Canada, and Finland each had more than two public mass shootings from 2000-2022, far fewer than the U.S. The U.S. accounts for 76% of public mass shooting incidents and 70% of victim fatalities compared to 35 other economically and politically similar countries, despite making up only 33% of the combined population.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Somehow this only happens in this country. That's weird.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. Let's treat the symptom and not the cause...

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