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"Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe."
Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince
this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2023
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The Wagnerites also seized the buildings of the head office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB department, the administration of #Rostov and one of the police departments, according to local channels. Nobody in the city understands what's going on.
How lovely
Like watching Cobra attack the Decepticons.
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This is not a "war", it is a "special military operation".
This is not a "coup", it is a "march for justice".
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I welcome russian infighting. Hope it makes it easier for Ukraine to retake Crimea.
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Holly shit this has been picked up by the BBC.
Remember, it doesn't matter if they succeed or not. The fact it has happened will terrify Putin.
I feel like this might be on behalf of Putin.
Wagner has been pretty careful to call out everyone but Putin.
Feels like setting the stage for a claim that the war was orchestrated by rogue elements in the Russian military, giving an out to tuck tail and run and move toward easing sanctions.
Judging from the address to the nation, this doesn't seem the case now.
The situation is still very confused.
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25,000 troops marching on Moscow. How many does the Kremlin have not already in Ukraine?
How many do they have not in Ukraine... Who are also willing to kill fellow Russians? If the average Russian military sentiment is, "Eh, let them through" this could be huge.
Plus a lot of the "Royal Guard" may be well-connected rich kids who are even less inclined to fight.
Way too soon to know for sure, but. 🍿
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Generally, I don't like to gloat, but I did call that one ~ June 5th over on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/140qkwu/destructions_incursions_%C3%A9vacuations_dans_la/jmyndp3/?context=3; in French because it was on r/France).
It actually is much worse than it seems - I did a write up over on Mastodon to explain why and how (https://mastodon.social/@andrei_chiffa/110599724720727202). The TLDR is that cities taken by Wagner mercs will be hard to retake without leveling, all internal protection troops are either tied or were lost in Ukraine, and mercs themselves have nothing to loose and all the revenge to take.
Tu avais raison.
It's very strange how things are going right now. The fact that they are quite effortlessly moving hundreds of kilometers through Russian territory is quite telling.
Breaking
„Ukraine runs out of popcorn“
https://twitter.com/war__online/status/1672535209038827521?s=20
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I would like to submit "Putin panics and nukes his own people to stop the advance" for my Bingo card.
Launching a nuke would have to be the dumbest thing Putin could do. A huge chunk of NATO must already be salivating at the internal chaos.
I bet Polish social media is on fire right now.
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the latest resolution from NATO didnt say Russia cant nuke itself...
Any nuke west of the Urals is likely to provoke radiation that reaches NATO, and nukes east of the Urals would be, uh, insignificant most likely.
Can someone please explain what's going on ? I am out of the loop. I know Wagner was fighting for Russia but what happened now?
Everyone in Wagner was about to be conscripted into the regular Russian Army as the latest in an ongoing power struggle between Wagner's boss and the Russian MoD. So to avoid losing his private army, the boss has stepped up the power struggle to an attempted coup, basically.
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The head of Wagner was unhappy with Russian military leaders and thought he'd take matters into his own hands as Putin was going to support him. Putin did not. Now there are 10,000 men heading to Moscow.
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More evidence as to why you don’t hire mercenaries. They are only loyal to the money. I hope the US is watching with their love of PMC’s.
Especially if you send the mercenaries on a nonsense mission to die a pointless death...
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If there's one thing I've learned from my history classes it's that power vacuums (or even perceived power vacuums) and the ensuing instability always end well for everyone involved....
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The Ukraine counter-offensive sure is effective.
People are tired of this war. Putin wanted to secure food reserves and have an open access sea port for his military; however he wasn't honest as to his reasons why; understandably so. Given this the Russian public doesn't see the actual geopolitical value of the conflict. This was inevitable. If Russia couldn't play nice with the rest of the world as their money mostly comes from oil and gas; which we are moving away from. Let them pay for their crimes.
my mind is so blown. i didn’t have wagner turning against russia on my bingo card
My father who is Russian has been talking about Wagner turning on Russia for the past 2 months. Dogs of war. So my bingo card has been stamped.
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Ukrainian army called ...they need fresh supplies of popcorn...
Wagner switching sides was not on my bingo card
They didn't switch sides. They created a third side. A Mêlée à Trois.
Truly catering to every male fantasy.
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If Kiev has been saving something up for a special occasion, this occasion is starting to look pretty special.
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This became a possibility the moment Prigo started making threats towards government officials. As soon as that happened, and Russia did not recall and disband the group, a rebellion became an eventuality (what mercenary is going to accept execution from a state he is propping up).
I doubt it'll be successful, but it is a huge blow to Russia.
This could definitely be a powder keg moment in some way.
If true, this is a major setback for Putin.
I don't think this little rebellion has a chance to overthrow Putin. Maybe if all of Wagner rebelled?
little rebellion
They already control a city with one million inhabitants, with one of the five military headquarters of the Russian military. I wouldn't call this a "small rebellion" yet.
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