chapotraphouse

Don't worry it's a good thing lol means you've been paying attention to how they will always choose their whiteness over anything else, unless proven otherwise.

In any case I feel more comfortable around other Black people in general 🤷🏿‍♂️

ngl i feel very similar about cis men. is this intersectionality?

I dead ass peace’d out from activism because of this shit.

For some reason, a lot of people in the “activist community” are incredibly snotty and mean, too.

I am white (disclaimer)

because most white leftists/progressives, in my experience, have not killed the plantation overseer in their brain. colonialism is the mind-killer, it's the little-death. understanding it and learning to hate it, to see it seep into everything in society is the difference, I think, between the progressive that wants to strengthen the settler-colony by keeping it's racist systems intact and making small changes, and the leftist who seeks to destroy the settler-colony and uproot it

that's a hard thing to want to destroy something that benefited your ancestors and yourself to this very day- to want to end something that your told is your culture or your identity, maybe there's a bit of capitalist realism in there; you can't imagine anything else... but if there is evil in the world that would be it, the project of "whiteness".

in the last few years I've come to challenge that internally, I guess. Why would I want to self-identify with a project that I think should be destroyed? I have a hard time trusting other white people in organizing if they haven't also come to that conclusion, or are at least working towards it, doesn't matter if they are a ML or a succdem

pattern recognition probably

Nah, that's fair. Not all white leftists are grifters or liberals, but it's good practice to assume a baseline of distrust until proven otherwise. Source: I'm white.

It's capitalism we're all sellouts. White people just have an easier time to be sellouts so you notice it more

Easy, don’t trust anyone unless they call themselves a communist explicitly. “Progressive” and “leftist” are perverted terms in (assuming your location) Amerika. Oh also if they use MSE u might be able to let your guard down too. Fact of the matter is that most ppl don’t really have a coherent ideology cuz why would they?

I don't trust what people say or what labels they apply. Many people don't understand what words mean, or worse they are intentionally deceitful. I instead watch their actions and form my own opinions.

I mean It makes tons of fucking sense lol

I don't feel offended that I have to be so explicit that I fight against all forms of oppression and especially racism

People of color generally have no margin for error with these things, because someone could say the exact same shit I do and then support Biden's border policy. I don't see myself as a "good white person" because I recognize that they don't really exist in our everyday lives. I defer my judgement to people with different perspectives because I know I will hurt people otherwise.

Maybe you wouldn't have as bad of an issue if every white person acted similarly, but for a lot of people I feel like those attitudes never go away, so it feels more like the preparation for the start of progress rather than an actual step forward.

I apologize if I'm overstepping or offering my opinion when it is undesired.

I grew up in an area that was mostly black and hispanic.

I'm at the point where I hate other white people and I'm in a contradictory position of hating white people but also I definitely grew up white. I hate whiteness but not myself.

Like I don't expect to be trusted because I see it, I understand that reaction, I don't trust white people either but the alternative is being by yourself all the time which I don't think is good either and itself kind of white.

uhh because you shouldn't trust crackers? doyyy

I had a big long thing on how POC Jim Clyburn DSA DNC loyalists are the worst and held back progress. But as. I am afraid to critize POC here for many ignoring the warnings of the White Moderate so I'll just say I'm skeptical of everyone and and trust is earned.

I work security in a casino. White people are the sketchiest MF's there. I ID check them 5x more often than people of color.

all i know is I love this discourse from the same crowd that is all "race essentialism in dungeons and dragons is fascist, you can be a good goblin, frieren is a fascist show because literal demons are shown as evil"

I feel like this is just how it goes as a symptom of the inescapable perpetuation of oppressive ideology within our society.

I only ever really feel safe around poc, socialist, queer non-men. I feel a natural kindred and love for everybody and especially the people of these categories but I also tend to notice when somebody is for instance a queer poc non man that is not a socialist and also a socialist poc who is not a queer or non man etc.

It's the sad reality of the nature of ideology within a capitalist society that every single person will internalize the hegemonic discourses, and as we all know oppressed people will oftentimes even internalize the discourses about themselves.

It's not an unwarranted assumption either as experience may prove, but we should and (clearly you do) still struggle to find unity with all who can be united!

If it was easy to overcome the hegemony of a society we wouldn't need to be revolutionaries in the first place, and none of us are free from brain worms. Freedom is a constant struggle etc