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Oof, not a good look for NYT, although I can kind of get it if you see the genecide term as too left leaning. And in some sense it is, but indiscriminately killing civilians is bad no matter what you call it.
That said, I don't get the sense they're trying to hide the atrocities there. If you're talking straight facts about the number of civilians, including children, getting killed, they're not hiding that at NYT.
Maybe calling the invasion a genecide or ethnic cleansing also implies motive, which could also just be a bridge too far an accusation. It feels like it, but that's only becoming more clear as more facts about the invasion come to light.
The term 'genocide' might be contentious, but 'ethnic cleansing' and 'occupation' shouldn't be. They literally describe Palestine since the creation of the state of Israel itself.
Just throw "apparent" in front of it: "Israel's apparent genocide of Palestinians", etc.
On the other hand, the fact that it's getting leaked by NYT staff who also gave written or verbal accounts to The Intercept is a pretty good sign that not everybody is complicit.
In this comment: calling out mass killings is too left.
"Moderate liberals" never change.
Genocide is left leaning? I didn't realize war crimes were politically aligned.
They usually are - right-wingers love war crimes.
If you go far enough left they get celebrated too. But you know what the biggest driver of war crimes is? Convenience. It's easier to not check the protected target list. It's easier to just handwaive accusations away. It's easier to just shoot anyone you want. It's easier to ignore civil considerations.
No, they don't. The Makhnovists certainly did commit war crimes - so did the Spanish anarchists (though quite microscopic in comparison to the atrocities perpetrated by their opponents). Anarchists themselves see those as failures - not something to be celebrated.
Are you going to tell me that Stalin wasn't far left?
Nope. Stalin was a right-winger. "Left" and "right" are not aesthetic classifications - they describe your stance towards the status quo, ie, to your relationship with institutionalized power.
If you wish to call Stalin a leftist, you have to prove that Stalin (somehow) had no instututionalized power in the USSR. Are you willing to try?
Oh only anarchy is leftist? That's uhhh... An interesting position.
That's not what I said.
However, it is true that there's a lot of (alleged) "leftism" out there that aren't leftist at all.
How do you have institutions without institutional power?
Do institutions need to have power over you? If they do, will that power serve you or the institution?
If they don't then you have anarchy. Well you won't have it for long but you will at that point in time.
When power is invested in people and not institutions what you actually have is democracy - but yes... some of us also call that anarchy. And we don't find that term scary at all.
Institutions do love their power, don't they?
Generally it's some asshole who cares more about power than helping people who ends anarchy. And a democracy still requires institutional power. Or else how are you going to vote?
It's related to Humanism or in more general terms a concern for the well-being of others and not just of oneself, which is a core, anchoring principle of the Left.
That's not to say that rightwingers are all mean or that leftwingers are all nice to other people, it's more saying that anybody whose political position is derived from their own personal principles (rather than tribalism or wholesale mindless acceptance of pre-packaged ideologies) if they have higher empathy will tend to favour the side that at the very least tries to balance the common good with personal greed, not the side that sells only personal upside maximization.
On the Left you can still end up with ideologies that are ideologically layered so thickly, so heavilly and so inflexibly on that foundation of the greater good principle, that de facto they do harm to the many whilst claiming they're doing it for the greater good (Soviet Style Communist being a good example).
Don't mix up America's Me First conservatism with all right wing ideology. There's plenty of authoritarian states that have used the idea of a communal good to rally support. There's even some delivery on that, as long as you're in the good group. The only real differences I've ever been able to find are in the form of government (elections vs shredders), inclusivity vs exclusivity, and the details of the social safety net. (Don't become unproductive in a far right country unless you're rich)
For example if we took all the videos of "good" Germans doing fun stuff from 1935 to 1942 out of context it would look like a pretty nice place to live. Hitler did try to make his base happy. That is of course the most extreme example, but it's repeated over and over again at lower levels.
That's a good point.
The difference between the Left and the Right in the old days tended to be more about the means to make your country a better place (and who you were willing to sacrifice for it), so as a leftie you could actually respect some rightwingers even whilst disagreeing with them because the goals were mostly the same and the big differences were in the path to get there.
Now, in the day and age of Neoliberal Capitalism (which is far from only an American thing) the difference between Left and Right is the difference between the goal being maximization of the common good or individual upside maximization.
FTFY.
No, they just dress them up in neutral language so that liberals like you can camoflage your approval of this genocide without breaking cover.
How? Pretty sure the Nazis in WW2 (wests closest memory to genocide) were right leaning.
Isreals current government is right wing, so accusations of genocide are therefore left wing. Context matters, lol
Oof, sorry.
That's ok! You didn't come across as trying to pick a fight, so I don't mind clarifying!