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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Let's get real here.

Biden's poll numbers aren't looking great at the moment. If any significant number of people that otherwise would have been Biden voters sit out the election, Biden loses. It doesn't even have to be voters that had previously voted for him voting for Trump (which is unlikely, since Trump strongly supports Israel's genocidal ambitions as well). They just have to... Not show up.

And yeah, a Biden loss would be far worse for the country--and for Palestinians, and for Ukranians--than a Biden win. But voters that feel ignored aren't likely to care; after all, if you don't feel like the president gives a shit about your views, then does it really matter which of the two shitty choices wins?

To be clear - I'm pissed at Dems. I'm angry that Biden isn't being a lot more forceful about climate change, that he isn't take a take-no-prisoners approach to Republicans' nonsense over the budget, that he's caving in to Israel, that he's not sending Ukrain the weapons they need to drive Russia into the Pacific, and so much more. And yet, shit gets worse a lot faster under Trump. We need to turn around; Biden is gently tapping the brakes, and Trump would put a brick on the gas pedal.

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Things are changing so fast. Before Gaza kicked off, I would have said it's unlikely people were willingly to endure and fours years with the Orange Cancer. Now, I am not so sure. TBH if you dared have an opposing opinion about not supporting Israel, you were shouted down and called anti semite. I think the Democrats were taken by surprise by large swaths of the population that are against the extermination of a population. You can't justify killing vulnerable unarmed citizens and children during a campaign. It would be a mistake for Biden to run again. Old rich people really do not give a fuck about outcomes... too insulated and really have nothing to lose. The common people will suffer for decades.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would anybody want the Orange Cancer, when the reality is that Palestine, Israel, Ukraine and the US all lose from that situation? Russia and Iran win. Is that really a valid strategy just to protest against Israel?

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You don't think people won't sit out an election because they don't want to be associated with funding wholesale genocide?

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are they aware that in doing so they will lose their democracy? Because if they are aware of that, I don't see how sitting it out is morally defensible by any metric.

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do you mean exactly when you say that they will lose their democracy?

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trp will pack the courts and they will complete the dismantling of the American Democratic institutions.

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

They keep us a dollar chasing the hamster wheel . We are so worried about barely affording housing and food, we can't focus on anything but what's in front of us. I was wondering today if I will see a reset in our democracy.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depends, do they want to contribute to even more genocide globally (how many Russians and Ukranians have died this week?) It seems imbalanced to life itself to risk way more lives globally in favor of one group on the planet. Does that seem incorrect?

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think everyone thinks like that. Whatever choice that is fine with their thinking and how most likely they can benefit seems to be the default mode.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I sure hope I'm wrong, but I think Biden is going to loose. It's simply horrific.