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So . . . You can see why that’s not gonna get a lot of public support, right? Any solution that “requires” violence is going to be bad for some innocent people. And maybe based on that alone shouldn’t be advised?
Well, could you all maybe hole up in a meeting room for awhile and maybe thrash something out before refusing to support the party that already did that and wants the healthcare, environment, education stuff?
I’m all about a better way but “we don’t know” obviously isn’t it, so while that’s in discussions, maybe we could take the power back from the fascists in the interim?
I appreciate the goals. I’m not against the goals- what I’m against is denying the mechanism that exists to achieve those goals. So far as I’ve experienced on Lemmy, all the “lefties” for whatever shade of left people are, seem only to want to shit on Democrats and offer no practical political suggestions.
Yes I understand how that is unpopular. I don't expect a revolution to occur during a time when people think peaceful change is possible. Revolutions aren't something we make happen, they are a condition that is imposed upon us. The goal is to make a political organization that is ready to control a popular revolution when it eventually happens.
We do this often yes.
It isn't "we don't know" its "I am not personally informed enough on these functions so I won't pretend to explain them". There are people who can but I am not them and that is okay. I know saying idk isn't convincing but I won't do the subject a disservice by butchering it. Not every socialist is expected to understand every aspect of future socialist projects. We work as a group. I do intend to learn more on this subject though, it's just a long process that requires a lot of reading.
We shit on democrats because we do not hope to convince fascists that they are wrong and should change. We hope to show liberals the flaws within their party and line of thinking because they are actually capable of change. We don't offer what you consider practical politcal suggestions because we do not pretend what you consider practical will actually work in the long term.
Visions for how a socialist economy would look in the US absolutely exist, you only have to look for them. Unfrotunately they are longer than a lemmy comment and require a lot of time to write. I am playing minecraft with my partner rn and don't feel like finding them for you. If you have good-faith questions to ask or want resources to read go to the askchapo community or something
Any luck yet?
Fair enough. Best wishes on the reading. I know that’s the boring work most people don’t do.
Well, that’s funny because that’s what “practical” means, right? That something works “in practice”. If you don’t have anything that works in practice, why would anyone be convinced of its validity as a political structure?
Wow I did not know that was a thing. I’m gonna pass, but I do appreciate your taking the time to address some of the discrepancies. Enjoy the Minecraft.