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Colloquially liberal as opposed to the more strict political philosophical definition.
If you are going with the latter none of the above statements are strictly liberal as liberalism is defined by a very personal property based capitalism forward structure and a focus on personal freedoms balanced by a set of assumed privileges.
By the political philosophy definition both Republicans and Democrats are liberal. A growing number of people find the issue of the USA's strict adhereance to old school philosophic liberalism the main problem of both parties since it does fuck all to check the accrual of personal property or provide safety nets. If you wanted to be more accurate by the change in social standard in the place you find yourself the above values in the post are safest "Progressive". At least keeping this definition in mind helps navigate a lot of the conversation of politics in many Lemmy instances.
Okay, well maybe they should stay out of discussions of the USA’s politics since they know sweet fuckall about it.
Political philosophy is fascinating, please keep it in the excellent universities (sorry, “colleges”) outside of the USA and let us try and fix this goddamned mess.
How else do you think you are going to fix this mess? Revolution is great for creating change but dollars to donuts you end up with shit systems unless you have a core of political science minded people in the pocket. That really was what made the original American revolution work - you had a core of people who were HEAVILY invested in the works of political science philosophers ( Locke, Hume etc.) and the dedication to replace the outgoing regime with something other than meatheaded revolutionaries who just replicate the same system over again with some new face.
It’s wonderful to have that knowledge, and agree with your characterization of the (racist, genocidal, slave-owning) founders.
The current mess does not need discussions of what socialism or communism or whatever flava of “left” the Lemmygentsia believe to be the One True Way. The current mess needs a fired-up national party to get in meeting rooms and Make Things Happen.
As it stands, the Democratic party is the only, and best, vehicle for that. So calling Democrats “liberal” as a slur or a dismissal is not only a waste of time, it’s actively supporting the fascism that is roaring ahead.
The contempt of, ignorance of, and utter lack of offering in any other respect regarding Democrats is a waste of time, countereffective, and pretentious. Fascinating and instructive though the core ideas may be.