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Zelenskyy rejects Trump's proposal that Ukraine could swap territories with Russia
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this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2025
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Now we are spying who has downvoted? Cool.
I downvoted because the situation isn't that simple anymore. This was applicable when it was just a "special operation". Everyone involved needs to save face when this shit ends, that includes Russia, Ukraine and NATO.
Up and down votes are public record on lemmy.
I didn't know this. That is shitty design. It is nowhere explicitly stated on any app or the website.
your pms are also exposed to instance admins. that and your up/down-voting being public is indeed a shitty design which they keep saying they "will fix soon." at least they're open about it
This should be stated up front during log in, or somewhere prominent.
No one needs to save face. Just stop fucking killing families. That's it.
Politics is all about saving face. The war will be over but they still would want a political career after that.
when it comes to calling out people who disagree that Russia should fuck off, I'll call out Nazi supporting scum all day.
Russia does not need to save face because they are the ones that invaded illegally. to the world their face is rotting and half gone leaving a bleached white skull. you know, like the ones on the SS uniforms.
Now Russians are Nazis lol. USA has invaded more countries than any other modern country but Russia gets called a Nazi and not them.
How does Russia not need to save face? They have to prove to their public and allies thaf the war was worth it and they gained something. Same thing with Ukraine that defending and fighting for so long was not just to end up giving land. NATO needs to maintain the illusion of having the greatest military to ever exist.
sounds like some pretty Nazi shit to me dude. at the very least it's the same shit terrorists do.
US has nothing to do with what Russia is doing to Ukraine, you bringing it up is a feeble attempt at distraction away from the crimes Russia is committing.
Let me paint a picture for you.
You're walking down the street with your family and a drunk Russian pulls out a gun in front of you and threatens you to give up your stuff. your mother and father take too long to respond and are both shot in the face. the Russian then calls over a couple of his friends who come over and take turns raping your mother's bloody corpse in front of you for several days. when they're finished, they shoot you in the stomach and take your shit then leave you for dead but not before you stab one of them in the balls.
several days later the Russians are apprehended and taken to court. the judge charges them with rape, desecration of a corpse, unlawful use of a handgun, theft, and unlawful detainment. they will spend the next 10 years in prison.
the judge then charges you with attempted murder for stabbing the one guy in the balls. your property is never returned, the deaths of your parents are never justified, and you will spend then rest of your life in prison.
when your lawyer asks about the double homicide charges, the judge says that he dropped them because everyone in this case was guilty and he's allowing the criminals to "save face". after all, they're already being charged with five other crimes.
is this your idea of justice?
never mind, your opinion is absolutely trash and I really couldn't give less of a shit.
Yeah, all these bombed hospitals and kindergartens must be worth stealing some land.
Sound logic here.
I am not saying it is worth it. I am saying they have to make it seem worth it.
Do they now?
Thug came to your house, punched you in your face and raped your wife. You definitely should give him one room so it seems for him it was worth punching and raping.
You are not understanding what I am saying. I am saying that Putin needs to explain to his country why the war is stopped and what was the benefit of it. Zelensky needs to show the same thing.
I am not talking about what they do about territories.
🤣 Of course he does sweetie, just like he did why he attacked Ukraine.
Npdean is not saying this is what SHOULD happen, they are staying that's Putin's perspective.
It's not an endorsement of Russia. It's just an opinion on what Putin will or will not accept in any deal put before him
(At least that's how I'm reading this exchange)
Npdean, do you personally agree that Russia SHOULD fuck off back home immediately. That Ukraine not be made to give up a single bloody thing at all. And that this entire war is entirely Russia's fault and they bear all responsibility for this happening?
I'm asking because I'm assuming you would agree, but I obviously can't know that without you saying it
No, just read the guy commenting history, there is more.
Quite a few Russian new accounts have been set up recently.
wow, thank you so much for your contribution random 4 hour old ml user!
I stopped reading after your second point because both were Russian separatist propaganda and if you're not going to lead with your best stuff, why bother at all.
If you don't want people to know your opinions, it's most likely because those opinions are stupid. Think on that.
I want people to know my opinion, that's why I replied and commented. What sort of fancy sounding but stupid reply is this?
if you want people to know your opinions then why are you arguing that it's wrong to see who upvoted or downvoted comments?
stand by your convictions and you have nothing to fear. I mean, unless your convictions include supporting Nazi propaganda and hate speech.
if that's the case I'd say you're a big piece of shit. but that can't be true, right?
I stand by what I said. You made the jump to Russians being Nazis and assuming that I am supporting everything Russia does.
You're right. the Russians in Ukraine aren't Nazis.
Nazis were well organized and disciplined. they had clear achievable goals. they took control or occupied over 20 countries in three years.
Russia can't even hold control of a territory in a single country, even after the deaths of over one million soldiers over three years.
When you compare Russian military with Nazis it just makes it glaringly obvious how weak the Russian military complex is.
However, when you compare the crimes Russian soldiers have perpetrated against Ukrainians it's pretty clear that Russian soldiers are following Nazi ideals.