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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Not a scientist, but most microbes can't live in pure oil or grease. So If you get the food bits out, the oil itself will go rancid and taste awful before becoming actually dangerous.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's not the microbes themselves but the toxins they release when they die

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial_toxin#%3A%7E%3Atext=Bacteria+toxins+which+can+be%2Care+considered+nonvirulent+and+nontoxigenic.

Tetanus, botulism, Staph. They're not bacteria itself but the leftover when bacteria die. So those toxins can build up on surfaces if not cleaned.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Bacteria that can not grow can not produce anything.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That would require more than a quick wipe to stop from haopening, though.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Without it being alive it should just pass through the body though right? Because any of the stuff in the pan was killed during the cooking process. Itd be hard to cook anything in a pan that's not heated

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Poisons don't have to be alive to hurt you.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The microbes need to be alive to produce them when you finish using the pan it’s hundreds of degrees so the bacteria are dead

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The microbes are dead but they leave behind the toxins which require greater heat to denature.

That's why there are warnings about reheating some foods over and over. There's minimal bacterial growth, then the bacteria is killed in heating sto safe temp. But the bacteria leave behind the toxins. Reheat and you get bacteria growth again before death increasing the number of toxins. Keep repeating and you have a dangerous level of toxins despite no living bacteria.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That would be true if first you ignore the effect of heating the pan on depyrogenation (killing of the toxins) which happens at approximately 250C which while hotter than your food that’s filled with moisture will get is reasonable for a cast iron pan to get to during both preheating and drying

2nd you assume the toxins accumulate over time, which they wouldn’t because the microscopic amounts still in the pan will leave on the food and with a cursory wipe of a paper towel

The reason it’s a concern with food is because if your food gets to 170F it’s considered overcooked so it never fully sterilizes and doesn’t depyrogenate but it’s not unusual to get a cast iron pan to 500F which does both.

If you ever worked in a field that does sterilization you will learn the differences between cleaning, sterilizing, and depyrogenating

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

To tack on, acidic foods break down the finish and create allow the creation of rust. If you skip a few days of cooking on a pan with a pocket of rust filled with unwashed food, you might get something dangerous brewing. But scraping out the pan and cooking frequently, you could probably go the distance.

For additional reading, they can look up regulations on marrying bottles of condiments.