This was earlier this year. Link:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/beaver-dam-czech-republic
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How did they do this with no profit motive?
And no teams meetings?!
without ai assistance‽
That’s the reason it was made quickly, efficiently, and works so well. No emails, no meetings, no AI slop.
I wanna be like beavers.
No remote workers
That beaver literally did that shit from home
They did do it for a profit motive. Through whatever instincts or thought processes the beavers had, they figured that they would benefit from damming the river. The dam creates favorable conditions for hunting, nesting, and storing food. These benefits are a sort of profit. Money is a convenient kind of profit, because you can easily turn it into whatever other kind of thing you want and you can store it for later use - and also it is convenient to talk about in economic terms, since it is uniform and easily quantifiable. But no one (or, few people anyway) want money purely for the sake of having money - they want money because it allows them to have other things. Food, housing, good conditions for mating and raising their young.
Sorry. The beavers were only in it for themselves.
So what you say is that Beavers are filthy little capitalists?
Yes and no. They are petite bourgeois. They own their own means of production.
More like semi-aquatic homesteaders.
What is this capi apologista nonsense?
Sustainence Is not profit.
Profit is what you skim off the top from others labour for your benefit.
And capitalists want billions and billions because it gives them power. They are not hoarding wealth for housing.
Umm, no, it isn't? Profit is whatever is left over from your income after expenses. If you run a business for yourself, with zero employees (so there literally is no "others [sic] labour"), once you subtract the cost of any rent, materials, etc. what you have left is your profit.
Except in your example you are stealing your own labor since your business is not paying its one employee, you.
He is correct that in business profit is derived from the balance of labor vs what the business can sell the products of that labor for. Yes, overhead costs exist, material costs exist, but without labor, nothing happens. You can buy all the materials you want, rent all the spaces you want, get all of the utilities brought in you want, without labor, it all does nothing. So profit is a derivitive of labor, even if all of the labor done is your own, and even if the labor is turned into a passive source of income. Even landleeches profits are derived from the labor of their tenants since without a tenant doing labor, there is no paycheck to hand over to the landleech.
The view you have of "profit" is honestly the result of a concerted propaganda effort undertaken over the last eighty years to swing public opinion away from the the anti-trust labor-centric mindset of the past. It is brainwashing on the grandest of scale. I learned it too. It was not until I got my math degree and started studying capitalism through the lens of it being a dynamical system that I really started to piece of together. So much of what is "taught" about economics and business in the USA is spoon fed by people who do better and make more money if people think the way you described instead of understanding why unions came into existence in the first place, and what they fought for, and why we still need them.
🤷♂️ I don't expect any of this to change any minds. You have your reality which you ascribe to and maybe it lines up with mine, maybe it doesn't, but odds are it is a reality you find comfortable and are willing to fight tooth and nail to protect that comfort.
If you pay your workers their fair share, you wouldn't have any profits.
And if your product was 'priced' at its real cost you wouldn't be stealing any from customers either.
I'm not going to agree with you either. While difficult to maintain and impossible to make a consistent system due to the nature of some humans, ethical capitalism can and does exist. I would prefer a universal egalitarian society with no money and labor for the sake of labor, not survival, but that is not realistic either.
There should be fair pay. The gap between executive pay and laborer pay should be under 10x, in my opinion at least. There should also be fair pricing. But there does need to be some functional level of income above expenses for labor and materials. That is where responsible growth lives. That is where being able to hire on more people that you still pay fairly lives. If you are paying a minimum of 75k, you need at least 75k over your outlay before you can give another person a job. If businesses operated how you described, always existing at break even, then the job marker would quickly stagnate and the only positions that would be available to entry level people would be ones that were vacated by termination or death, because promotions would also not be possible. You described an equilibrium state which prevents growth of any kind.
Clearly these beavers don't know the Rules of Acquisition.
They used Jira
Really?
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