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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 71 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

Crypto remains a pyramid scheme masquerading as a resistance against tyranny

Ironically you know what ACTUALLY protects from powergrabs by payment processors? A fully centralised, government backed form of digital cash that is fully equivalent to paper money.

Ask a Brazilian about pix. Super low fees (often feeling non existant). And transactions can't be invalidated on the whims of a corporate board. For something to not be buyable by pix it has to be illegal, thus having to go through every layer of checks and balances a democracy has.

The problem with visa and their ilk is that finance has been privatised. Too much power in the hands of corporations that have deftly dodged regulation that would keep them neutral and honest. Thinking privatising things further and turning everyone into a fully unregulated petty digital landlord is gonna solve anything rather than make it worse is foolhardy.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

you know what ACTUALLY protects from powergrabs by payment processors? A fully centralised, government backed form of digital cash that is fully equivalent to paper money.

Only if the government is democratic, many governments seems to be autocratizing these days, which wouldn't help when they start enacting puritan policies and refuse payment transfers. Not to mention, even some democracies banned porn (South Korea, for example).

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You're not wrong

But keeping a government democratic and under check is a lot easier than trying to do the same to a series of corporations with anonymous investors calling the shots. Every corporation is in and of itself a dictatorship, dangerously close to an old noble clan, and we pretend we don't see it because it's been hypernormalised.

I'd much rather take my chances with a government, that can in fact respond to the will of the people from time to time, than with a corporation that only ever responds to money with exactly no exceptions ever.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 19 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Adding a few more points to fully kill crypto as a "freedom currency"

  • Generating crypto requires capital; people with computers and access to energy will instantly get the ability to outgenerate any other crypto participant
  • Energy-centric currency just empowers the same rich lobbies; oil and gaz lobbies are delighted to see that there's an uptick in energy demand
  • People with right material (read, capital) can track you, but low chance to track anyone doing crime at a national level (due to odds of them having a competent IT (baring the Hegseth drunkards out there))
[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Also because the entire thing is backed financially by energy wasted, crypto has actually been slowing down the adoption of cheaper, safer renewable energy.

People spend x dollars on generating crypto, they expect to sell it for x+profit

Ergo if energy became cheaper, crypto would devalue and we can't have that.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago

Mining hardware is the bigger cost for bitcoin. Tokens are the largest cost for PoS.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

"Difficulty adjustment" minimizes profits. You get a much higher return on the stock market than you do holding dollars.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Your post applies to Bitcoin specifically, not crypto in general.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

So according to you, there's a crypto that 1. doesn't need any capital (computers), 2. doesn't need wastable energy (power that wouldn't otherwise be used) and 3. is actually impossible to track across the board?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

From a user perspective yes to all 3.

From a infrastructure perspective,

  1. You need capital to keep people honest. Nothing at risk means people can lie

  2. Some power is still needed, but Ethereum has gone from the consumption of Chile to a single windfarm.

  3. ZK proofs now allow anyone to create an anonymous token. Most blockchains are opt in for anonymity.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I have an ignorant question: is gaz a French-Canadian spelling? I always thought it was Russian.

[–] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 3 points 16 hours ago

As far as I know it's just french spelling, not limited to French-Canadian.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 6 points 18 hours ago

As far as I know monero didn't really have that issue, of being a pyarmid scheme, while also being privacy-respecting way more than Bitcoin.

Which is also why it's starting to get banned in Europe. As far as I know, most brokers don't even sell it.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

But I want to buy and sell illegal goods and services.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 2 points 12 hours ago

Sorry, the only illegal shit I do is free illegal shit (piracy)

WELL actually, it's not illegal here in Brazil. It's only a crime if you can be proven to be making money off of it. Downloading/copying is free game. :^)

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

Do I look like I'm cool enough for that‽

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

When I heard elon is the primary holder of bit, I knew it was to be trusted. He's a liar and insecure. Plus his penis looks like a sick dogs vomit.