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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?

Every movement has its radical fringe. Virtue signaling either your ideological purity or your solidarity with the only viable opposition are equally feeble attempts at clinging to a notion of victory in the face of total defeat.

EDIT: I wasn't expecting this comment to generate discussion but since it did, let me elaborate on what I meant by "total defeat." The defeat is not an electoral loss, it's the fact that we have relinquished so much political power that all we have left is voting for one of a set of compromised politicians every few years. It's a tired argument because it assumes that it's possible to vote our way out of the mess we're in, and it simply isn't. We need to attack the point of production because it's where the ruling class derives its power. And arguing about our sham elections is getting us nowhere.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?

Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

see now this is doing the same room temp IQ shit as fugjesus

Not All Leftists: are anti-DNC purity non-voters

Not All Liberals: are the MLK "white moderate" type who will vote Republican if lefties are mean to them

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, that might be true of individuals but that phrase, or at least variants of it (ie. "The Social Democrats are The Left-Wing of Fascism"), have existed since the rise of the Nazis.

The idea being that liberal institutions will sooner do the work of fascism by punching left, rather than making common cause to fight fascism. And this meme isn't helping that perception by punching left.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

Phrases existing does not mean there is truth, just that there is an aspect that feels true, look at all the people that have adopted "hard men create good times" etc as a mantra.

I don't think making hostile comments (saying all libs are fascists) is productive at all, and obviously individuals are not responsible for entire institutions, or even other people that share their principles but are also assholes.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair it sounds like OP feels betrayed, and is kinda scared about ending up in a death camp (and it's insane they have a legitimate fear about that, wtf USA?!). It's easy to point at nazis and say it's their fault (it is), but they weren't your allies in the first place and didn't betray you, they said they'd throw you in the death camp. Your allies were the ones that could have saved you... and it looks like they chose not to. I'd be raging too

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

OP is a Democrat stooge. Look at comment history.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

OP could be a bot and it doesn't still negate the point. I can imagine there's plenty of people affected who probably feel something along the lines

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I think I get it, betrayal is a strong emotion. But now instead of realizing who their real enemies are (their class antagonists), they're doubling down on fighting about election results.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh for sure, it's not fruitful at all. But it is understandably human nonetheless, I doubt anyone being taken by the fascists care much about the difference between people who voted for them to be able to do it and those who didn't vote to prevent it

[–] syreus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] KatakiY@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is a bad metaphor. I agree harm reduction helps, but Democrats are not owed a vote and the obsession with blaming what is apparently a small minority of voters or the sole reason Democrats lost depending what is convenient, is truly damning of liberals.

If libs put half the effort into courting leftists they do in blaming leftists perhaps they'd win. Instead a group of people who would by and left never vote for a dem anyway, didn't vote for them.

This is the bed they made and now they want to blame everyone else for shitting their pants.