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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When drone strikes of weddings are discussed, individuals are targeted while the wedding is ongoing, the wedding itself isn't being fucking carpet bombed.

These strikes can kill and injure dozens, so when you target someone in a crowded space like a wedding you are going to get a disproportionate amount of civilians, unless the wedding has an Al Qaeda corner. And this is before you even get into whether targeted killing (aka extralegal assassination) is even legal, which is apparently not at all guaranteed.

Considering that the civilian casualty ratio of drone strikes was not significantly different from prior non-drone military action, it would be a very fucking tough sell.

Surprisingly, bombing weddings is bad (and a war crime) no matter the method of delivery.

The CIA is absolutely committing war crimes - that's not the same as saying Obama is a war criminal.

Well he kept approving those war crimes.

I'll concede the point on Guantanamo.

In other words, please attend my funeral to be held within the next week (closed casket).

Duly noted.

Would you like to remind me what the powers of the US president are, again?

Leadership of the executive branch and supreme command of the armed forces? Control over foreign diplomacy unless Congress specifically intervenes? Sharing of arms, intelligence, and diplomatic cover is all under the purview of the president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Obama_administration_(2009%E2%80%932017)

Okay so.

In 2009, Obama became the first U.S. president to authorize the sale of bunker buster bombs to Israel.

In February 2011, the Obama administration vetoed a UN resolution declaring Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal.

On September 20, 2011, President Obama declared that the U.S. would veto any Palestinian application for statehood at the United Nations, asserting that "there can be no shortcut to peace".*

n December 2014, Congress passed the United States–Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2013.[107] This new category is one notch above the Major Non-NATO Ally classification and adds additional support for defense, energy, and strengthen cooperation business and academics.[108] The bill additionally calls for the U.S. to increase their war reserve stock in Israel $1.8 billion.**

*Effectively giving Israel the cover necessary to continue its occupation of Palestine.

**He presumably could've vetoed the bill, or made any sort of objection at all. He shares responsibility for these decisions as the one implementing them.

Admittedly I'm ignoring all the anti-Israel stuff in the article. but he's still guilty of Israel-related war crimes.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm about done with this topic, through no fault of your's, mind.

My position on drone strikes at weddings (wrong, but not inherently a war crime any more than any targeting of valid enemy combatants in a civilian milieu is; ie that the question is of relative military gain proportional to civilian collateral damage) hasn't changed, but the broader issue that support of war criminals is enough to qualify as a war crime since 2013 by international law creates a much stronger argument for Obama as a war criminal, I concede.

I additionally note, though, that the question raised was what made Obama the least pro-Israel president of my lifetime, with you citing only a single issue he was anti-Israel on, while the wiki article notes Obama's much broader opposition to Israel to a satisfactory degree.