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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Protonmail, servers in Switzerland. Encrypted so that even proton doesn't have the key. The only downer is if you forget your login info and need to do a full account reset you also lose your encryption key as a new one is generated and old emails are unretrievable.

Good in case of attempted account take over

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Only downside is their CEO supports Trump, and tweeted his support for Trump from Proton’s official company Twitter account. When this whole thing happened, Proton never took those tweets down. Don’t know if they’re still up or not but I don’t care.

The point is, use Proton if and only if you’re okay with knowing that the company’s official stance is in support of fascism.

Alternatively, I’d recommend Mailbox.org or Tuta.

[–] derek@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

This is the Internet's common wisdom at the moment but it's a bit reductive. Here's a decent write up about it:

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was having trouble deciding between Proton and Tuta until that happened.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I was a paid customer of Proton’s for many years. After that whole debacle, I let my subscription expire, and then deleted my account. I sure as hell wasn’t going to use their service even if it was free. Made sure to leave very specific feedback to them why I was deleting my account.

Clicking that delete account button felt so good.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

I did see that and I investigated Tuta. I had already paid for the year unfortunately. But I also wonder if he knows how Trump operates and would try to make foreign hosted encrypted data illegal, and so he was just pandering to trumps narcissism by congratulating him in his pick.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Classic Swiss behavior tbh