Fediverse vs Disinformation
Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.
Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.
What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.
By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.
Community rules
Same as instance rules, plus:
- No disinformation
- Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation
Related websites
- EU vs Disinfo
- FactCheck.org
- PolitiFact
- Snopes
- Media Bias / Fact Check
- PEN America
- Media Matters
- FAIR
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I mentioned Zohran to my aging mother (who lives in a suburb, and cannot vote in NYC elections). She was like, "You didn't vote for him did you? He's a communist"
We decided not to go into details right then, but it's wild what a deep, emotional, response the idea of "communism" evokes. I don't know what she even thinks it is.
She thinks it's the enemy.
That type of response has nothing to do with politics or even reality, it's just "us vs. them". People attribute everything they think is evil to "them".
(It's not just communism hate. Because anyone who knows what it is, know that he isn't one.)
You know those experiments Pavlov did with dogs that made them salivate to the sound of a bell (because they associated the sound with food)? Boomers essentially had that but the trigger is the word communism and the response is aversion / disgust.
They didn't have the internet back then so mainstream media could essentially control mainstream thought.
None of them do. They were just programmed real good during the red scare to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything with the name communist or socialist.
People were more or less helping each other back in the 50's after the war. The money boys got worried about that and Joseph McCarthy, along with Donald Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, started a communist witch hunt which eventually got out of hand. The communist stigma remained.
That reminds me of the woman who declared that she couldn't vote for Barack Obama because he was a Muslim and an atheist.
"Communism" as it was in history should 100% invoke that reaction. The dude is not a communist tho.
Maybe. The natural reflex is to point out the horrors of capitalism, but people are more okay with that.
Not "maybe". Countries were screwed over by communists, people murdered in the thousands with famines that killed millions. People excusing communism - either the Soviet Union or China are delusional.
Then fix capitalism because this shit is busted.
"whatabout" doesn't get you anywhere. There aren't just two systems. Because newsflash, communism "is busted" too.
Isn't the problem there authoritarianism? The Nazis were also authoritarian shitheads, but not communists.
Communists absolutely were authoritarian shitheads.
Yes, I wasn't denying that but it isn't limited to communists.
Source: Author's ass crack.
These claims come from the "Black Book of Communism", an old propaganda piece with wildly bullshit claims (provably so)
These "claims" as you put it come from a person who has lived in an area and talked to their parents and grandparents about it. So stay in your lane with your "hurr durr propaganda". Soviets were war criminals, not a utopia and anyone saying otherwise is the one that's brainwashed by history revisionism.
Do you even read the comment or do you go straight to shitty memes? My family lived through it. Stay in your lane.
Follow Your Führer™
~~Communism~~ tyrants and authoritarian dictatorships. Get a grip. Nobody has done real communism. They give the people fake participation while the wealth and power go to the top. It doesn’t matter which system you choose, if the rich and powerful take control you’re fucked. Capitalism worked for a while in the US, now it’s fucked because of the rich people.
If thats the case you should want communism kept as far away from the American government as possible. They can't be trusted with that kind of power.
That comment completely ignores what I just said and how communism is supposed to work.
Still upset about the battle of Berlin, I see.
No, about Katyn and the years of occupation that followed till 89' actually. And about Holodomor. And about using tanks against civilians. And about a ton of other things that tankies don't know about because they think the Soviet Union was perfect
Ok, so what is your solution? Besides calling everyone to your left a commie?
Capitalism is no longer working. The status quo is untenable.
My solution is to not glorify the Soviet Union as some sort of enlightened country when in reality it was a shithole that killed millions of people.
Also, don't put words in my mouth. Just because you think in "tribes" and everyone that doesn't think exactly like you is your enemy, doesn't mean other people are just as naive.
Am I doing that, or have you just decided that you hate everyone to your left and only your left and therefore they must be commies?
I said "communism as it was in history should evoke a negative reaction. You then jumped in saying what basically amounts to "you are a nazi mad about losing". I then said "no, I am mad about attrocities done to the various peoples because of the soviet union. To which you then respond "what else are we supposed to do?"
So:
You are arguing that communism as it was in history shouldn't invoke a negative reaction
You are calling me a nazi
You are deflecting from the attrocities of communism and going "whatabout capitalism".
If you would prefer that they hadn't joined the Allies, just say so.
You call people to your left commies. And it's clear that you consider only one to be evil.
No, I'm asking what your solution is, as the current situation is untenable. So far your response has been "ur uh commie! Stop talking about the system in which you live and hate the commies!"
No I don't call people "to my left" commies. I even specifically said "Zohran isn't a communist". But by all means, keep attacking the strawman that you put up. Doesn't change the fact that the Soviet Union was a terror state that screwed up several countries and killed millions (and if you need the clarification, millions after WW2 was over). I'm done talking to a wall, have a nice day.
Edit: and to your point about the Soviet Union joining the allies - I would very much rather they didn't start the war along with Nazi Germany by invading Poland at the same time, signing a nonagression pact with the Nazis, sending people to gulags where thousands died. But that's a tiny detail right, who cares that they were one of the two that started it all.
And yet, when prompted to offer solutions to the situation the US is in now, your solution was "ZOMG COMMIES." It's in this thread. Capitalism got us here, not communism. It's clear that you have no solutions but don't like anyone else's.
Keep strawmanning, I said none of that.
Yeah, there is only one party that is busy implementing their secret police
Yes, because there is only one party you mean. Oh, no, you didn't mean the KGB, the black cars disappearing people, you just wanted to go "whatabout Murica" like that matters to the fact that communism hasn't worked out in history and resulted in oppression.