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I am. Your nearsighted emotional actions will impact our strategic plan to grow our numbers on the streets. There is no logic in accelerating a movement when we have yet to acquire the numbers.
You mean your 50501 fed op? Any movement that supports the idea of America will always enable the very system of oppression you seek to end.
Once you realize that fascists don’t give a shit about if something is “legal” or not, then you’ll realize they aren’t nearsighted. Its ok I used to think like you, give it time.
What agenda are you trying to push here? Are you an accelerationist wishing for the success of fascism? You’re using inflammatory language and projection against my cited facts and logic. What is your goal?
My goal is to grow our resistance. That can happen in broad daylight through protected peaceful protests, or through an oppressed underground resistance. The latter will take far more effort and time to achieve the same result.
Sitting down peacefully at a protest and letting the police arrest you isn’t strategic. Giving your information to a shady organization that creates a database that can be used against you is dumb. Oppressors have their own “facts and logic” they use to justify their actions, good luck with yours.
If someone is about to kill your family right in front of you, say because they don’t like your ethnicity or wish to see you harmed for their gain, do you plead with them through nonviolent methods or try to stop them through violence?
Currently being a part of and help a growing class-consciousness that works towards a socialist revolution. I don’t believe capitalism/imperialism can be reformed or stopped legally. Sure there is some merit to nonviolence, but we’re going against incredibly violent systems where it alone isn’t enough.
I just got home from a protest. There were no arrests. Lots of exposure though.
How do you expect to get a socialist revolution without well established channels of communication? Once violence begins, your ability to network is greatly strained. If you’re trying to organize, you should be creating dedicated communication channels and counting your numbers before moving on to action. That’s what we’re doing with 50501, and we’ve grown to 25M members, even though we only get ~10M to take action.
You really need to work on your strategy. You won’t be able to usher in a socialist utopia if the plans aren’t laid in advance.
You didn’t answer my question but that’s ok. Listen, I think there are benefits to these big name protests. People getting out like this for the first time in their lives is good, and the potential for people to move further left is greater. I just disagree with the liberal ideology of these protests. For a protest to be effective it should be anti-police, anti-capitalist, and not pro-America. Of course people won’t get arrested in their police-sanctioned protest and when they support the institution. I don’t think Trump and his goons care about No kings when they’re currently abducting people and throwing them in a prison in the middle of the Everglades.
I’m still in the infancy of joining this strategy and I’m meeting and doing work with great new people. A socialist revolution is potentially decades away, a class-consciousness needs to grow and establish in the people for change to occur. It will take time to unlearn US propaganda. Better to start now, join an organization like the DSA and talk to people about leftism without capitalist bullshit. The revolutions of Cuba and Vietnam are good examples a socialist strategy working.
As someone who has been left of the Democrats since the 90s, I agree with you. Unfortunately, there’s absolutely no way we’re having a full socialist reform without a much larger support for it nationally. That message still falls flat on the ears of most liberals, forget the right. However, as we’re seeing with people like Bernie and Zohran, progressive social democracy is quite popular.
After Trump, the pendulum is going to swing far to the left. It’s our best chance to elect progressives into the Democratic Party through primaries and start pushing the Overton Window back to the left. We can get there progressively without burning the nation down first.
Peace police kept me out of movements for so many years. I know many ithers who can say the same. Juat because youre a masochistic coward, doesn't mean anyone else is.
Refusing to walk into a trap set by the dumbest president in the history of the United States is not cowardice. It’s strategy.
Just because you have big feelings, doesn’t mean you should follow them instead of strategic plans.
Im saying, just because you're sacrificing doesn't mean you're getting things for it; you're not some kind of sorcerer with an obsidian knife so sharp it can stab abstract concepts. Unless you are, idk, maybe then you have like a genie or something?
But if thats not the case, you know; be less sanctimonious and fucking divisive.
We’re not sacrificing anything by organizing and engaging the disengaged. We’d be sacrificing our right to assembly by inciting violence as you suggest.
You need to do more reading on the successful overthrow of dictatorships. They all begin with organization and communication. The unsuccessful attempts all begin with small-scale violent resistance.
See, ive seen a lot of peaceful protests get tear gassed and pepper sprayed and shot at. Like... I think all of the ones ive seen? Like in my life? Admittedly, protests arent my first and foremost thing; I'm an infrastructure girl, but the reason they've never been my thing is the silly performative masochism. And i know for a fact im not alone.
Oh?
Are you outside the US? I’ve been a New Yorker my whole life and have been protesting since the 90s. I’ve seen a handful of arrests and pepper spray deployed once. You’re talking about US news sensationalism or possibly protests in other nations. Even LA and Portland, which are usually the ones to turn rowdy, typically do so once the protests are over in the evening.
Other side of the country. Tear gas is pretty normal here?
But again, protests arent my main thing. Don't see the pointbof most of them; asking nicely an entity that doesn't care what you want.
I wouldn't be shocked if my experience skewed spicy, but i havent been told that it does.
That’s not the point of protests. The point is to reach the disengaged and uninformed citizens to join your cause. Protests are a great place to share resources and network, while increasing your numbers, legally in broad daylight. That’s exactly why freedom of assembly is in the Bill of Rights.
There may be tear gas in LA and Portland at times, but it’s still far from the norm. You’re likely unaware of the frequency of peaceful protests and hearing more about the newsworthy events. To give you a frame of reference, this is what NYC’s protest calendar looks like.
Uh huh. I havent generally found protests to grab more people than disaster response or direct gommunity engagement. And those people tend to stay engaged more.
50501 is so vague floofy and sterilized, im not sure it is joining a cause?
Ive lived and joined stuff in places otyer than LA and portland, and sometimes what cops do is worse than tear gas.
Again, im not getting this from media. I do occasionally go outside. Even talked to another person once (never again!)
Edit: and i heard (this was from media) that NY doesnt use tear gas because its a dense mixed use city.
Im not saying it's bad. Good that it's hapoening, but it will not win on its own. nothing wins on its own, and im not sure 50501 is the best of what's currently going.
What other channels are mobilizing ~10M people? I’ll get behind them if they’re effective.
You've heard my criticism of that. What's those people's horizon of action?