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We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.
Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.
Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.
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I emphatically reject these claims. Both nonviolent and violent resistance is necessary, and in fact they need to collaborate. The following quote from the Black Catalyst Revolt Guide is relevant:
You should watch the Eric's Chenowith video that was linked in the above comment
Yeah I'll get around to it, although I've heard that claim before and I don't disagree with the need for mass mobilization, some of which is going to be nonviolent. But IMO the nonviolent parts of the revolt need to collaborate with the violent parts of the revolt!
Her research shows why that's likely wrong. Definitely check it out!
Okay, I watched their Ted talk. The red flag for me is the clean separation of revolts into either strictly violent or strictly nonviolent. It is my view that a more careful study of the history of all the revolts labeled successful and partially successful would reveal that many if not all of those revolts succeeded because of the complementary (if not collaborative) efforts of both nonviolent and violent protests. History glorifies the nonviolent protesters because they're easy to lionize, without any of the ethical complexities that violent protests invite.
IMO it seems like they went in looking for a hypothesis and managed to spin the statistics to justify it. I'll look into their research as I'm sure it goes into more detail, but I'm so far not convinced.
This honestly smells like the white washed "civil rights era" mentality that pretends nonviolence is the only strategy for positive change. MLK Jr. was inspired by Gandhi's nonviolent movement, but he was well aware of the violent side of that story. After Gandhi was ignored and imprisoned, his mass movement turned violent, accomplishing the actual change.
Dr. King's strategy was to be a "reasonable black person" with the unspoken promise that white lawmakers would have to deal with "unreasonable" black people should they ignore him. It's why anti rioting legislation was passed hand in hand with civil rights legislation. They capitulated, but also looked to set up barriers to violence in the future.
The militarization of the police over the past half century can be seen as an extension of those anti rioting measures. Liberals want us to believe that nonviolence is our only tool, because that allows them to ignore our nonviolent efforts without fear of reprisal. The people we should direct our ire to aren't just the fascists, but the pro-police politicians in general.
Heard of them, read their stuff years ago, really unimpressed.
Digging up and cherry picking evidence for things you already believe is not a scientific approach, it just feels slimy. Chenoweth is a red flag imo, and not kind that says 'im probably okay in bed, and masturbate to how I'll murder you once we're done killing the fascists'
Organisation overthrows regimes, not protests. Ends are an entirely different issue
Correct. Right now the largest organized movement is a protest. Violence will reduce our ability to continue to grow those numbers.
Uuuuuuh
such a disgusting rhetoric to peddle non-violence while promoting 50501, a white supremacist organization that hires veterans in "peacekeeping" roles to shoot antifascists and anyone who's not white.
playing peace police is inherently a violent act because taking a stand against all the oppressed people who respond back in the only language that the state understands reinforces white supremacist systems.
instead of supporting libs that cooperate with state repression and enable fascism, donate to Gamboa's legal fund, join anti-authoritarian grassroots orgs and support your local antifascists.
What that peacekeeper did was abhorrent, and is under investigation. Are all Republicans good because Rand Paul voted against the budget reconciliation bill? Your inflammatory takes out you as an accelerationist.
You do understand that we’ve grown our protests from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months with this method, right? Yet you’re encouraging small factions of violence which have repeatedly proven throughout history to have failed against dictatorships?
Your agenda is clear. Keep your accelerationist takes out of my nation, comrade.
this is exactly why y'all get called blue MAGA. when your orgs lynch a Pacific Islander and barely miss their shot on a leftist Venezuelan, it's a "good-will effort" to "prevent outside agitators". literal KKK propaganda adapted for liberal sensibilities:
I’m not defending that single person’s actions. I’m saying the other ~10M of us were not there to support white supremacy, but to stand in opposition against it.
You’re not going to use inflammatory language and extremist opinions to convince me of a different agenda, while we actively stand, arms linked, in-between ICE and immigrants.
https://files.catbox.moe/0zs6gv.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/sxt6sv.mp4
America is too violent. Any turn that involves racial justice or queer rights will be resisted with staggering violence. Anything that liberates children. Anything that sevures womens' rights or reduces the power if the church.
Hell, anything that tries to cut police funding or end slavery would be stepped on so hard. It will not be nonviolent, though many non violent things are also necessary to get a good outcome. I wish the choice of whether things get violent or not were ours, but it simply isn't.
Getting slaughtered serenely is not peaceful or nonviolent. Its masochistic.
Also remember that economics is a hella important consideration. Most conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer.