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And I thought Americans were carbrained, holy shit.

(To be fair, he's not wrong in that this is intended to keep the auto companies and the government nice and fat -- but the obvious response to this is to agitate for better public transit, not railing against an environmentally sound policy.)

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[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Isn't it true that once a car is built, it's basically better for the environment to drive it until its wheels fall off instead of scrapping it to buy any new one (even electric) though ? He's right that a lot of the time these schemes are thinly veiled auto industry handouts to stimulate the economy, instead of actual environmental regulations.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 hours ago

The break even on carbon emissions from manufacture vs. daily use is somewhere between around 3 and 10 years. Big trucks on the low end.

[–] thedbp@feddit.dk 23 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Every 35000 km or 21000 miles a gasoline car going on average 20km/l or 47mpg why H have produced the same amount of CO2 that it takes to make an electric car.

So if over the lifetime of the car you go less than 35000km you shouldn't be changing it with an electric. Otherwise please do 😁

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How long is that offset including charging? I know that EVs are still significant better, but it's not like the moment an EV rolls out that it's carbon emissions stop.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 17 points 11 hours ago

The thing with EVs is that they get cleaner over time as cheap solar and batteries become a bigger part of the grid and old coal plants age out.

If you buy a diesel today, it'll still be burning diesel in 2045.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

depends where you are i guess. if you're in a country with a high proportion of the grid being powered by renewables or nuclear then the emissions do become negligable as soon as it's delivered.

France is 70% nuclear plus renewables etc

[–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 hours ago

better for the environment

Yes.

Better for your nerves? No.

Also you have to keep your vehicle in a state where it can drive safely, which leads to maintenance costs that rise over time. But safe for your environment as in the people around you, whether you reach your destination alive is of less importance.