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[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago

My thoughts are, given that Iran did not control its airspace, a topic that I have been unable to verify outside of Western sources, this could be considered a prudent move. A nation can have all the weaponry in the world and if they are unable to fire it, then what use is their. That being said, the airspace control, given that was not something I could find out of none western sources, I cannot see a reason why they would sign a cease fire, ESPECIALY right after the United States did a bombing run.

I also do not understand why Iran would sign a deal as lopsided as this one is preported to be, where Iran, who has been agressed on twice, must lay down its arms a whole 12 hours before Israel does, and the US is not mentioned outside of being the mediator, a role that it would be entirely unsuited for, both because it is a part of the war directly, they are too close to Israel, and because the US does not have offical relations with both nations. I could not think of a worse nation infact to be the medator, atleast from Irans point of view.

We know that Israel had been calling for a cease fire soon, and so that timing is not completly out of question, and I also understand that Lemmygrad, even when not intended will become an echo chamber, so all my information is coming with a grain of salt.

I take a little issue with saying the military victory is with Israel, as the reports I had seen is that they had their citizens trying to flee, and the stated goals of "Rising Lion" where not met, from what I have read Iran's nuclear program is essentaly untouched, they could not chop the head off the military. I think it is important to understand a military victory is not always who does more damage, but who got farther to their goals, it is possible, though crazy, to win a war while loosing most battles. However I do agree that if the air superiority was lost, a fact I am not arguing but slightly skeptical of, Israel was able to effectivly cut off the ability for Iran to respond.

I also hesitate to say that Iran won politicaly, because while yes they hold more international support, they where unable to get put under another nations Nuclear Umbrella, not Russia not China not Pakistan, when Iran entered the war, atleast from where I was sitting, they where not able to get much more than words on paper from surronding nations, and when the US did join, the only others who stood up in fighting where Yeman, who is already a part of the war, and likely starting to feel the effects of that, and Palistine/Gaza, who as they are under genocide where unable to add anything new to the table. Both of these "additions" also where already at war with israel. I would count that as atleast at some part a political loss for Iran, especialy given the fact that when they attacked a US military base, a Valid target if the US by action declares war, Qatar said they may retalate in defence, Qatar who I might add condemed both the US and israli attacks. I am not sure then I could call this a political win for Iran either.

I hope they are able to repair their AD system, and be prepared for an attack soon. I also hope they consider making a nuclear bomb, not because I like them or I want to armchair their development, but the US and its ilk are always going to say Iran has them or is almost their and working on it, If they had a pair, then maybe they would not get attacked for working on one.

One last side note as this conflict comes to an end, this conflict ruined my already rock bottom trust in the UNSC, as all the public meetings where not any discussions, but an opening statement from each nation, adjorned to have back room talks. Each nation could say what ever random BS they wanted have it sound offical as it came from the SC, and then leave without anyone being able to counter unless they came soon after in the near arbitrary order.