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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Pendants will argue that black is not a colour

[–] sxan@midwest.social 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Physicists might argue that, but black is a color linguistically and in common usage; I'd argue that since OP was generally speaking in a linguistic context, linguistic rules override physics pedantry.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

linguistic rules override physics pedantry.

Idk why, maybe because I'm a scientist, but this speaks to something in my soul

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I thought briefly about editing that to say, "in this context", but I thought it might be redundant.

It's like the whole fruit/vegetable debate, and there not really being a scientific category of "vegetables" that aligns with the common usage. However, in common usage, the loose, lay definition of "vegetable" is far more useful than the scientific, taxonomical one.

Context is king.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah. I've had this discussing with others in different forms, where they are arguing that words have specific definitions..

I would go even further.. My take is that what you said is right, but also, what a given context (like "cooking") is can be very different for different people.. So even in situations where three is really only one meaning for a word (rare, but maybe "broccoli" is an example), the word is understood differently by different people because it has different connotations attached for everyone (e.g. "I love/hate it", "my grandparent used to cook it badly").

Word definitions are like the lowest common denominator consensus version of those individual meaning, but they are changing slightly all the time as people change. Dictionaries are just documenting that evolution, but are constantly playing catch-up.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] egrets@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Actually, the color is named after the fruit. It wasn't until the late Middle Ages that we discovered anything other than the redcurrant that was red in color. Poppies, for example, were only discovered in ~1917, and we only found out about blood in the 1970s.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Dear Mr Encyclopedia, when were raspberries discovered? Wasn't Avalon "the isle of apples?" When did Christian bibles start describing the forbidden fruit as "apples?" Were they not red apples?

What color did they call ripe ribe avu-crispa (a gooseberry)?

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The Biblical fruit is just given as "pərî" and could be any fruit. Avalon is from the Welsh aflonydd, "peaceful", so named because it was King Arthur's vacation spot. Raspberries have not yet been discovered, at time of writing.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Are you seriously trying to claim that no human ever bled and saw the colour until the 1970s? LOL

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Lol no. They are entirely taking the piss.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

If their piss is red they need to go to the doctor as per this shart

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I have tetrachromacy and piss in colors that would drive most into madness.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Look out, it's the mad pisser!!!

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

A chart made by someone that's never eaten a whole bag of beet chips in one sitting, I see.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I think you misunderstand. If you've eaten a whole bag of beet chips you should see the doctor.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Fuck.

Greengages.

[–] ipitco@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Hah! Why do we call black people coloured people then!

Checkmate blackisnotacolorists!