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[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So theocracy is okay? So feudalism and serfdom is okay? So not having any political representation is okay? So rule by religious elites and nobility is okay? So brainwashing children is okay? So suggesting that every nation should be an ethnostate otherwise it's "oppression" is okay? So completely ignoring that Tibet is an autonomous region within China is okay? So ignoring that Tibet has a local government is okay? So acting like the Tibetans in the local government don't count because they're communists is okay? So implying that unelected "governments in exile" are automatically more legitimate is okay? So pretending that separatists are democratic and not a tool of Western imperialism (the real one) is okay? So making Charlie Kirk type arguments by distorting what imperialism and colonialism means and using definitions based on vibes and feels is okay? So lowkey wanting to expand western economic and political dominance in Asia and turn more regions into South Koreas is okay? So ignoring that the Dalai Lama himself recognizes Tibet as part of a multiethnic PRC (and Tibet itself is multiethnic) is okay? So crappy US propaganda is okay? So nitpicking and distorting PRC policies in edge cases while ignoring actual western imperialism and colonialism of currently real genocidal proportions is okay? All I'm asking for is consistency.

Want more? It's not hard. Yes I'm sure you think that forcefully ending slavery in the USA for example "backfired" (you said invariably so it's included) and that undermines any moral stance that abolitionists may once had because they weren't gentle with the slave owners and didn't "convince" them first. Sure buddy.

When is the USA going to grant full citizen rights to Guam, like the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in the Houses by the way? Guam independence when? Guam is far less incorporated into USA than Tibet is in PRC, with pretty much zero precedence of historical or cultural ties unlike Tibet.

So it's okay to be a hypocrite? Consistency.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nice strawman you got there. This has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe Beyond I believe people should have a right to self-determination. I realize that childish leninists are so cock sure and think they know better. Wanting to force their own backward beliefs on everyone else. As much as these Tibetan Monks do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

And I mean as someone coming from a leninist instance it's extremely hilarious that you act as if not having political representation is a bad thing. Political representation actual political representation is denied to wide swaths of people under a Vanguard.

Regarding your laughable whataboutism. I absolutely believe that Guam should be given the right to vote for president if they desire and that the United States should recognize them. Hey quick question when is China going to give the Uyghurs the right to self-determination and to vote? Oh oh that's right, China gave up the right to vote for president completely.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you were pushing anti-communist propaganda all along and had all these cocksure anti-PRC beliefs already but disguised them as care for feudal theocratic brainwashing of minors? So you can't really argue about literally anything I said like Tibet having a local government of Tibetan communists that you discount entirely because you're an anticommunist shill and not because you care about anything other than manufacturing anti-PRC consent? So you do this using articles from explicitly pro-western propaganda sites like the one above but would never consider checking the other side and yet you call others "cock sure"? So you're so clueless enough to mix up leninism with maoism even though neither invalidate Tibet having a Tibetan government anyway? So unless a nation is an ethnostate there's oppression happening? So only voting for bougie duopoly parties every four years is "democratic" but open access to constant voting and decision making through local governments available to all citizens who want to get involved isn't democratic because Murican crapitalism doesn't operate like that? So you have far far less political representation than anyone in PRC but you want to yap about representation lmao? So you want to bring up the Uyghurs while the source for that is still crappy CIA propaganda and it's actually about religious extremists that you otherwise lock up in Guantanamo when they turn against you? So you keep somehow siding with religious anti--freedom fanatics? So you're so concerned about a state making sure that religious authorities don't end up acting like a political Trojan horse while the West is constantly legislating censorship and repression and cracking down on demonstrations against real genocidal foreign policy and supporting genocidal colonial states? So you almost definitely have never done anything or even posted anything about the liberation of colonized Guam but yet you're yapping about PRC being "imperialist" as if the Tibetans themselves aren't part of their own administration? All I'm asking for is consistency!

I predict crickets like before. But let's go deeper.

So you're either clueless or a liar and don't know that Chinese officials are literally all elected but you imagine who knows what sort of magical appointment by the ghost of Mao probably? So you're almost definitely going to whine about lack of "legitimate" elections in the PRC because it's a single party system as if having two parties that also vet and preapprove their candidates is better outside your propaganda? So you don't know that all levels of government and the party itself are open and you don't need millions to run unlike Murica, making them more democratic institutions because what you really want are pro-calitalist wreckers being allowed to run to turn China into a colony again so you can get cheaper goods in the west? So you clearly don't care about nations (and not just ethnostates) having sovereignty because you want cheaper crap and global dominance for your side at the expense of everyone else? So westerners get to complain about supposedly other nations not having enough democracy while simultaneously complaining about their own parties stealing elections all the time lol?

I've got better ones.

So you complain about whataboutism when the Tibetan issue is literal whataboutism lmao?

Bestest one: So the only valid voices are religious extremists who support western propaganda ( and not the Chinese Han, Tibetans, Uyghurs etc who support their government because you know, they have healthcare, employment, religious freedom AND freedom FROM religion, womens' rights and constantly increasing quality of life unlike the west that consistently loses all these things?

All I'm asking for is consistency.

Oh I forgot. So you either haven't heard or pretend not to know about the oppressed fanatical jihadi Uyghurs active in Syria as Al Qaeda forces? So you're saying that the PRC should embrace Al Qaeda because you clearly support and care about its members? We can talk about the Uyghurs all you want lol, it's you who'll dodge the subject.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I qualify as a communist, why would I be pushing anti-communist propaganda. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of leninism. You're not a communist.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pro-religious propaganda communist, sure buddy. Crickets about everything else as usual.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Quote a single thing I said that was pro religious. You love to build strawmen. But have nothing of actual value to say. Typical leninist.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pro-religious thing you said? You're here whining about the rights of monks to brainwash kids and Uyghur jihadis lmao.

You've been incapable of answering any of my questions so far and switched to one liners? Typical shill.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No I'm simply stating that changing one brainwashing for another is not helping. And the reason I haven't answered any of your questions is because you haven't asked any questions. You've been making a lot of false accusations.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

US foreign policy shill pretending to be a communist but defending Al Qaeda jihadis pretends not to know what question marks are.

So are you saying that your brainwashing is "objective" even though you're a Fox News "communist"? All I'm asking for is consistency.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are you even talking about lol. Wow your psychosis is bad.

If imperialism and colonialism is justifiable because we as outsiders find a practice abhorrent. Then you have just justified what the United States did to my family. Stealing their homes culture and religion. Would I have wanted to live as they did? Probably not. But we were never given the choice. Because it was stolen. This is what your advocating for. This is why you are rightfully called a hypocrite.

I get that you've never thought about it that far. That you aren't actually against anything bad that's happening. You are simply a Pro Vanguard campist unquestioningly. I'm sure you've never considered that someone could criticize one group's acts without defending anothers. That two things can be bad at the same time. And one bad thing does not justify another bad thing.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago

Psychosis: managing to suggest that I didn't ask any questions after I asked several dozen on purpose lol.

Try answering even one before you continue your mini incoherent script about "imperialism" and "colonialism" that entirely "coincidentally" is about religious extremists and separatists thar your heart bleeds for while you act like their compatriots who aren't literal jihadis and don't want anything to do with them don't exist.

Is it up to westies like you (but it's really your state department and intelligence services writing the crappy propaganda) to artificially blame some supposedly non-Tibetan central PRC of destroying Tibetan culture as if all Tibetans are united in favor of brainwashing kids? You sure? You act like it so prove it dude. Prove that there are no Tibetans that want to stop the religious and lowkey political indoctrination of children. Let's see you completely fail to prove any of your bs.

Not that you can make any argument whatsoever here, you just misuse the words imperialism and colonialism, ignoring that Tibetans themselves may be against religious extremism in their own culture and that's none of your business. Although even if they were all united and in favor of some messed up cultural practice that doesn't mean that everyone should respect it and allow it to continue. Like, you know, abolishing slavery despite it being "the culture of the South". You suggested peaceful means so slavery should have continued indefinitely because liberating slaves would be "imperialism" and "colonialism" to shills like you.

You're pretty much the shill type who also whines about Confederate general statues being removed as "cultural destruction".

Go on, let's see your proof that all Tibetans want to maintain feudal practices and indoctrination of kids by often politically motivated monks. We all know you're orientalists af and keep imagining Asians etc as eternally feudal rustic peasants that behave like crappy characters in kungfu films that can't possibly be secular or want modernization of their own culture that includes human rights. Tibetans themselves can't possibly want their sons and daughters to be educated, they definitely all want them to be just monks and farmers. We know about your orientalism as well as we know that the USA has been using "religious persecution" for decades as whataboutism against socialist states while intentionally funding the most extreme of them to create astroturfed separatist movements and destabilize sovereign nations. Prevent religious extremism? You're "imperialist" and "colonialist" lmao. Leave them alone? Enjoy a radical right fanatical separatist movement backed by the west. That's the rotten propaganda you're shilling for and the reason you have zero arguments so you resort to "leninist" and other weasely crap to poison the well like a good little propagandist.

So go on, where's your proof? Got any?