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Image is Israeli interceptors trying and failing to intercept missiles over their cities.


Israel just carried out a widespread bombing of Iran, which has killed a number of senior officials inside Iran (though it seems the leadership is more-or-less intact) as well as a number of civilians. Important facilities have been targeted, but the amount of damage is unknown so far (note that many important Iranian facilities are deep underground, making them both hard to damage but also hard to determine if they are damaged from just satellite imagery, so reports of damage will be he-said-she-said).

It appears the attack took Iran by surprise, given that a residential block was targeted that contained some senior officials - if one saw an attack coming, one would imagine they'd be in bunkers. Nonetheless, like the rest of the Resistance Axis, I suspect that Iran has adapted their military structures to be resistant to decapitation strikes by ensuring that replacement figures are ready to take the place of killed officials.

Iran has delivered a massive missile barrage in response to Israeli aggression, even though Israel is continuing to bomb Iran. Iran is now aware of the location of many important Israeli sites, including secret nuclear sites, due to their recent intelligence haul, giving them a distinct edge.


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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh so you are saying I was dooming? So you finally want to actually admit what you are complaining about instead of gesturing at a different comment and vague posting about what you THINK people feel?

You said your problem was people saying Iran had lost the war, i trusted you had nuance, I guess I was wrong, you really did see any view that Iran getting struck like that was bad as complete doomerism.

Point me to what I said that was doomer? You gonna be passive aggressive and vague, or are you going to admit that you are angry at me for saying Iran's defenses failed and Israel's attack was more effective than it should have been? Because that is ALL my comments have been about in this thread. I seriously thought you had to nuance to only be talking about people saying Iran lost, but now you are saying I have been dooming? For what, saying the S-300 system being taken out and nothing replacing it was bad?

WHen did I say Iran had lost the war? Don't vague post, or construct narratives, actually speak

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People were dooming, you defended their dooming though unsupported assumptions, hence you were dooming

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I asked for people actually doing that, and the one example you gave I said I agreed with you on. How is that dooming? This word means nothing at this point, you created for yourself a version of "woke". And what unsupported assumptions? apartment blocks in Tehran got blown up, Iran's defenses did not halt Israel's bombings all last night. Iran themselves had already talked about getting them "back online".

Iranian defenses DID fail to stop those strikes. That is not an assumption, it is supported by the fact that they literally didn't manage to stop them. So while others are discussing the sabotage which low and behold hours later we are getting more and more specifics on, you were brow beating me for.....saying missiles hit on account of missiles hitting?

You are demanding people just ignore damage to Iran, as "unsupported assumptions". What did I say that was unsupported? Did those buildings just do that randomly at the same time Israel fired missiles? This was observably a failure of security and defense, that is not debatable. You are talking as if I said Israel actually nuked Tehran and Iran surrendered. You don't want reality, you want to complain that people are dooming, and so you adapt dooming and what people are actually saying to accommodate that.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iranian defenses DID fail to stop those strikes

Iranian defenses failed to stop SOME of those strikes, obviously they stopped enough to keep the ability to rain 300 missiles on Israel, so obviously not as much of a "defeat" as you originally supposed, hence why dooming in the early hours of a war is dumb

You are demanding people just ignore damage to Iran, as "unsupported assumptions".

I'm demanding people stop making shit up and pretending like the fog of war and information warfare doesn't exist

You are talking as if I said Israel actually nuked Tehran and Iran surrendered

I didn't say you said that, I said you've been defending people who said that by shooting out unsupported assumptions about the state of the Iranian military

Now stop being a fuckin crybaby, Tel Aviv is on fire, events are developing, you fell for the dooming, so now ADAPT and move on

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

Except I never doomed. You keep asserting that. Like you need me to have doomed. You need me to have felt a certain way cause that makes you feel good. The idea that I believe that Iran was caught with their pants down and suffered serious security breaches and that is IT, is something you refuse to believe. You want to tell me what I felt and what I mean over and over. Look through my posts, I just showed you me saying in no uncertain terms that Iran has suffered worse and wont collapse.

I didn't make unsupported assumptions about the state of the Iranian military, you yourself said others said that and you are accusing me of defending them. I did not defend their comments. You gave me ONE example and I said that person was wrong. I am not being a crybaby, I am wondering why you care so much about how YOU believe I FEEL. You cannot just accept that my stance was what I always said it was, you NEED me to have been dooming. It's weirding me out. I thought we were talking about other people,but now I find out you believed I was dooming the whole time because I asked for clarifications and mentioned that Iran's defenses got taken down.

Which to that point, their defenses did get severely breached. They didn't just fail to stop "some" strikes, their air defenses got disabled in several locations due to Mossad on the ground inside Iran. That is not just inevitably not shooting down everything, that is a security failure. That and Marmalade was proven correct in their warning that some systems were not integrated. THAT is what I was talking about, explicitly. That was the defeat on the 12th. Not the war, not the totality of Iran's forces or even its air defenses, but the general defense was defeated from the inside.

That is a cause of concern, and not just the law of probabilities. The Mossad attack is a failure of security, I don't know why you insist that my mentioning this is dooming.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This was me 16 hours ago btw

If people are expecting collapse that is crazy. They worst case scenario here is Iran's offensive capabilities and means of threatening Israel are fucked. NOT their ability to function as a state. I don't want to be braggadocios, but they survived the Iran-Iraq war. Strain from bombings is not going to break what didn't break during a decade of fucking trench warfare hell and atrocities abound.

I do wonder how far Israel thinks they can get with this though.

See I am thinking the opposite. That politically they don't have the division Syria had, and that while things can get rocky, they should be fine. But while yes they can outlast the US in conventional military strength, and my money is on them for any US invasion; the threat they posed to Israel as a deterrent is severely weakened. Israel knows for sure that they can strike with ease. Iran no longer has Syria as a means of directly getting ground troops to Israel's border. They can't use Hezbollah any time soon for a threat to Israel on the ground. All they have is the threat of missiles in retaliation, which is significant, but clearly not cutting it with Israel right now. The chance of getting their nuclear program running at all is effectively dead, let alone the chance of doing so and being able to secretly create a nuke for their protection.

it is not a matter of them being able to be militarily defeated, I don't think that is the case. What has been damaged is the immediate threat to Israel. Now, even if they wanted to, their chance of countering Israel in Syria let alone Palestine is diminished greatly. Iran is losing a lot of power projection, least that is what I am worried about

Yeah such dooming, you got me. Viewing dead Iranians as a tragedy and not just something to shrug off and treat as not a loss is such doomerism

Do you think Marmalade is dooming as well? Is anything but complete certainty that no setbacks have occurred doomerism? Starting to think that whole label might be dumb rhetoric and a thought terminating cliche to lump anyone you don't agree with into one. From people saying Russia has lost to those saying the strikes on Russia's airfields are not good for Russian security.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the threat they posed to Israel as a deterrent is severely weakened

Tel Aviv is in ruins, unsupported assumption

They can't use Hezbollah any time soon for a threat to Israel on the ground

Unsupported assumption

All they have is the threat of missiles in retaliation

Unsupported assumption

The chance of getting their nuclear program running at all is effectively dead, let alone the chance of doing so and being able to secretly create a nuke for their protection.

Unsupported assumption

YOU WERE DOOMING

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their nuclear facilities are hit and several top scientists are dead, those are not assumptions.

Hezbollah has announced they will not directly take action against Israel in this conflict, not an assumption https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/06/13/hezbollah-official-says-group-will-not-initiate-attack-on-israel-after-iran-strikes

They do only have missiles for retaliation as it stands, you yourself just fixated on that saying that no comparison but the Battle of Britain works BECAUSE it is an air war with distance between them. You mere hours ago made this exact point.

Their nuclear scientists are DEAD, that is not an assumption, their facilities are bombed and thankfully no leak so the centrifuge has held, but their means of enrichment are disabled.

You are calling things assumptions that Iran had already confirmed. What are we allowed to say? What do you deem acceptable to talk about? We cannot talk about losses, we cannot say the word failure, we cannot speak about deaths as mattering, we cannot speak to challenges with responses.

You seem more mad at me for stating that Iran got HIT at all, than you are at Israel. It is fucking ludicrous. You WANT me to be dooming, you need me to be saying Iran has lost. And you couldn't even respond directly till I pushed you on it. You just vague posted complaints and intentionally misunderstood. Because GOD FORBID anyone look at Tehran in flames and say "that is not good". That is all it takes to be dooming for you. God you wouldve called Stalin a doomer for even mentioning that Minsk and Kiev fell.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their nuclear facilities are hit and several top scientists are dead, those are not assumptions.

There are 250,000 scientists and engineers in Iran and no radiation leak has been recorded from the struck facility, losses are not the same thing as defeat, sorry if that concept bricks your brain

You seem more mad at me for stating that Iran got HIT at all, than you are at Israel. It is fucking ludicrous.

I'm more annoyed you keep pretending like people weren't dooming by claiming Iran was heading toward collapse and surrender, people WERE doing that, also I literally fuckin acknowledged losses and casualties in my first goddamn comment and never ONCE have I claimed Iran hasn't suffered from the attack. But that's a far cry from the doompilled nonsense you're spouting where "ALL Iranian defenses failed, utterly and totally" go ask that downed pilot how much of failure Iranian defenses are

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You repeatedly called Iran's defenses being taken down in places or being nonexistent "unsubstantiated", how is that not downplaying the severity of what happened? So finally you pull up one comment that actually comes close to what you are saying I was totally fully doing. I can concede (that thing you are incapable of doing) that all and utterly are hyperbolic and I take that back. But that does not mean that the defenses did not have major failures. Shooting down an Israel pilot among the totality of that attack does not mean they did not fail as a defense.

I commented that Iran was not going to collapse in response to someone BEFORE I ever responded to you. So I have no idea how you decided that I claimed people are right that Iran would collapse. One person was being actually doomer and I had already responded to them and disagreed with them. Which is why I was asking why you were so adamant that the thread was full of doomerism. One person said iran could collapse, and you didn't even respond to them. You vague posted and effectively lumped EVERYONE but yourself as doomers. That is what I was defending.

And frankly I feel vindicated, because what I was defending was Marmalade's analysis more than anything. And look at the modlog and the horrible shit Thomas said to them. Vitriolic shit calling them a fed and a doomer spreading propaganda. THAT is what my concern was. I was not fucking dooming, I was pushing back at the mob mentality that within a few hours DID lead to someone attacking one of our posters and repeatedly misgendering them.

THAT is why I don't like your initial comment, because this generalized "wow everyone is just dooming, what idiots" shit emboldens that kind of behavior. I have known you for years, I KNOW you would never do that, but I know damn well that that kind of vague posting complaining and accusation shit does make room for that shit. I have been on both sides of that in my life. Respond to comments, don't make the second comment thread within the hour that is just complaining about doomers. Again it becomes "woke" complaining, and suddenly someone starts taking "doomerism" to mean they can just harass someone free of consequence.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

I can concede (that thing you are incapable of doing) that all and utterly are hyperbolic and I take that back

Cool and I already acknowledged Iranian incompetence is a thing and they've suffered losses, now we can move on