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I mean, nice idea but it’s never gonna happen. While everyone sits around and does nothing, they keep winning. This is the next 50 years. Get used to it.
This is loser energy. No contributing to shitty stuff by talking in a way that helps it.
Alright. Can you tell me that you think this whole authoritarian fascist direction that the US is on will be stopped any time soon?
Because I see all evidence pointing to like 50+ more years of this downward direction.
What do you think would help it? Writing a letter? Holding a sign while I’m shot with rubber bullets and gassed off the street?
Times have changed. No one can stop this runaway train with a lawsuit or even an impeachment.
If you have ideas, I would seriously like to hear them. Shooting back isn’t my preference, but LA will be forgotten next week therefore protesting isn’t going to make long term change. I’d also argue that, since we are here now—it never has.
Literally who is doing nothing? All these people in the street? The cop that stopped to check on her? The people trying to spread information when it's being actively suppressed?
I would say encouraging violence when you know damn well what the outcome will be with civilians going against an entire police force, ice agents, public military, and likely private mercenaries, is about the fastest way to escalate this and exactly what trump is hoping for
You can't have an MLK without a Malcom X. MLKs ways were only accepted because the alternative was the Black Panthers. Yes, we need the majority of people to be peacefully protesting, but we also cannot let the state achieve a monopoly on violence.
Well said
This dude is no Malcolm X. You also need people to be smart, and not fall for pretty obvious bait.
I never claimed anyone is a modern day Malcom X. What I claimed is that the state cannot achieve a monopoly on violence. Like any monopoly, without competition or regulation there is no reason to self moderate.
We need to relearn how to organize a large number of peaceful protesters to have self constraint. But we also need to relearn how a small organized and isolated group of people who can compete with state sponsored aggression can reshape the political landscape.
I've been arguing the same thing about organizing, except this is not the American revolution of the 1700s.
Let's be realistic about what happens next when you encourage people to take up arms and go on a suicide mission right now.
Trump is trying to instigate a Civil War. He wants further escalation, not de-escalation. This does not end with the National Guard and Marines he has already sent to LA peacefully retreating because they face aggression from locals.
The next step will be an expansion of military takeover, and National Guard from red states being used to invade blue states
Newsome is making the right call here. Threatening to withhold taxes is probably one of the smartest things any blue territory/jurisdiction can do to protect themselves and fight back right now. California is the first, but they definitely won't be the last. We need America to unite against a coup being led by the Neoconfederates in the White House.
The civil rights movement was only 50 years ago and is a much better analog than conflating modern resistance movements with the 18th century.
As I already stated, the general public should present themselves at most as publicly engaging in civil disobedience. However, civil disobedience does not get the job done by itself, not when the leader of the country is a fascist who doesn't care about civility in the first place.
History has shown time and time again that the only thing that stops fascist is physical resistance. Fulfilling the demands of peaceful protesters needs to be juxtaposed as a compromise to avoid civil unrest, not the only form of resistance.
Fascist manufacture escalation, they don't instigate it. Even if there were absolutely no violence happening, they would just see that as an invitation.
Lol, that is a literal attack on the very idea of Federalism. This is more likely to escalate a violent response than a localized violent protest ever could. If there is any resistance to trump at the federal judicial level, then actually challenging the very idea of Federalism would legally validate a federal response more so than anything since the civil war.
We've dealt with violent protest in the past at the State level several times throughout history, no state has challenged the idea of federal power at that level since the rebellion.
A state withholding funding is fucking with the bag, it can be perceived as an act of rebellion and an attack on Congress who constitutionally governs the power of the purse.
Fascist do not care about electorialism once they've seized the power of the pulpit. They only care about maintaining that power at whatever cost. The cat is out of the bag, the Reichstag is burning, civility is no longer on the menu.
These aren't neo confederates, they are neonazi. If you don't understand the difference, then you don't know enough about politics to advise anyone.
Yeah, but there are also false flag instigators in the crowd. This is DANGEROUS.
Yeah that’s doing nothing because nothing is going to change. Protesting doesn’t work. Just watch.
You sound like an expert in doing nothing.
They seem really skilled at stirring shit up.
Kinda wonder if these assholes that are shooting people, (especially the one that knew he was being filmed yet still turned, lifted his gun, looked at the camera like he was on the fucking office, and shot that reporter in the back like he wanted the whole world to know what he was doing), are hoping to achieve something similar.
So do you.
Berlin would disagree with you. Regardless, even if you want to believe that protesting will do nothing, Waco should be all the history you need to know about to know what actually happens in the scenario you're encouraging.
That was over 30 years ago, against one government agency, on a compound armed to the teeth, and with a president in power that actually cared about how something like that might look to the rest of the world.
What? Are you referring to Berlin prior to the Nazi takeover? There were leftist and fascist having all out battles in the streets of Berlin for over a decade prior to the takeover. Which eventually happened because the centerist of the weimar republic decided not to fight back.
You mean the event that led the federal government to be afraid of policing radical right winged politics for decades? The event that is often quoted as responsible to the free spread of right winged nationalism across America.....leading to the election of an ultra conservative president we tolerate today?
You have no idea what you are talking about, everything you said was wrong.
You really should educate yourself before trying to tell others what to think. Try reading the death of democracy by Benjamin Hett. It goes over the parralelles between the fall of weimar republic and our current situation.
What exactly do you think I’m encouraging, because a child abuse compound is not one of them.
Sigh... Yes let's pivot away from the actual point. How about MOVE in Philadelphia?
Telling people to arm themselves and go confront the literal army Trump has just sent to purposely exacerbate this situation because he's hoping for a confrontation that will allow him to claim there is an "insurrection"
Not to mention all the Red state Governors that are hoping they will be asked to prove their loyalty and send their own state national guard into California to help crack down on that "insurrection"
What could you possibly be encouraging 🤔
Start with the red state governors then.