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Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday suggested California consider withholding tens of billions in annual federal tax dollars amid reports Donald Trump is preparing funding cuts targeting the state.

Newsom’s suggestion came after CNN reported the president was considering a “full termination” of federal grant funding for California’s universities.

“Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington.

“Maybe it’s time to cut that off,” he added.

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[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 37 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Rebuttal, he doesn’t actually need to stop paying the taxes, he just needs to nullify them.

  • California’s port in LA brings in more goods than any other port in the country. They could collect the tariffs and federal dues and not remit them to the federal government
  • Likewise, they could collect a fee for all agricultural goods coming from every other state leaving the port.
  • California is the nation’s fruit and vegetable basket. He could impose a tax on all ag products leaving the state.
  • He could seize all federal buildings in the state as collateral.
  • Ever heard of the La Brea tar pits? California is an oil rich state. He could pull a page from DTs playbook and seize the mineral rights.
  • If he was really ballsy, he could seize the naval base in San Diego.
[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

I'm mean all of that is equally as drastic and civil war inducing.

Not saying that's a bad thing, but doubt Newsome would

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I get it, but realize each of those things is equally as direct as ordering federal law enforcement out of the state. Taxing exports from the state? A flagrant violation of the Constitution. That would be a direct challenge to a main federal power. California decides to start charging an export tax at its borders. They set up tariff stations and start taxing ag exports. That is a violation of federal law, so the feds will have to step in to stop the California customs agents. Now you're right back to having state and federal agents pointing guns at each other. Alternatively, the courts will order California to stop, and California will refuse to comply. At that point, the federal marshals are directed to arrest California officials for contempt of court. Now state and federal law enforcement are pointing guns at each other.

How about tariffs at the ports? It's the feds that collect those tariffs, not state agencies. If you want the state of California to take over those duties, you're going to have to send in state troops and force the federal customs agents at gunpoint.

Seizing federal buildings and military bases? Again, that's just doing a Battle of Fort Sumter.

Seizing mineral rights? The feds license oil companies to drill for oil on federal land. If you want the state to interrupt that, then they'll need to occupy those lands themselves. Or, they would have to provide armed protection to oil companies that decided to not pay the federal license fees.

These are all the same problem. The federal government doesn't need California's cooperation to collect any of its revenues. The only way for California to interrupt the feds is to send angry men with big guns to directly stop federal officials from performing their duties. There is in practice no way to directly usurp federal taxation or power in California without just starting a civil war. The feds do not need Newsom's cooperation. If Newsom wants to stop the feds, he'll have to send in armed men to start shooting federal agents.

I'm not saying this would be a good or bad thing. Frankly, the situation at the federal government is so bad, that we would probably be better off just dissolving the whole country at this point. Independence for all, let states form whatever new nations they want.

But what I'm really trying to do here is provide a reality check. Unless Newsom is actually prepared to order the killing federal officials, any talk of stopping tax flows, seizing federal assets, etc. is just self-indulgent bravado. And I just do not think Newsom is the type of man to go down that road.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Not paying taxes is breaking federal law. He has already threatened that so I don't see why doing a slightly different but more actionable law breaking would be off the table.