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He hit a pedestrian. If you cannot react to a pedestrian entering the road unexpectedly, especially at a crosswalk, you are, by definition, driving recklessly.
Is there dash cam? We are all just doing guess work at the moment.
The article says they attempted to cross between the crosswalks. A witness said the younger child jumped into the street. There's only so much reaction even the most alert driver can do.
You see unaccompanied children, you take your foot off the gas and hover over the brake pedal.
How about parents hold hand of children? Maybe don't have kids at all if letting free and roaming around.
In civilized countries it's perfectly normal and safe to let your children walk to the fucking supermarket and back on their own. How indoctrinated with dystopian habits do you have to be to not realize there's something deeply wrong here?
When you're operating heavy machinery (like a car) it's your job to ensure you're not a danger to your surroundings. If you can't do that you're not fit to drive.
Physics says it does not care of civilized countries. U can't stop a truck like tundra on a dime. Physics. And even with auto braking these day, no way.
A few things: 1) the speed limit is 45, 2) I went to the street on google maps, you could not hope for better visibility, 3) the driver was 76 years old.
No fucking shot you're sitting here trying to say that, with great visibility and a speed limit of 45, this old fuck isn't responsible for killing Legend. No, actually please confirm this, I've been feeling pent up and going off on a chud would really make me feel better.
Outside of listing out all things, u did not mention why the parents were not hold on to their kids specially in US. Why?
Also ask the question why a 76 years old is allowed to drive? May be no good public transportation system? Oh no now we let senile folks drive. And also how easy is it to get license here in US, my cat might legally drive
Why should I?
The other people in this thread have already detailed for you how there should be nothing wrong with kids walking to the store. Why would I waste my time when you're just going to ignore it in the favor of a 76 year old murderer?
Furthermore, how is it that you've read what I wrote and think that I agree with a 76 year old being behind the wheel?
Murderer is a stretch. This looks like involuntary manslaughter. Murder means he was aiming for the kid, and I don't see anything suggesting that.
What you're advocating for is actually detrimental to kids development. Kids need increasing levels of independence in order to learn how to interact with the world and ultimately become better adjusted adults
Then the speed needs to be reduced.
If I'm driving in an area where pedestrians can be present and my view of a walkway is obstructed, I slow down. A speed limit isn't an obligation nor is it a right to travel at speeds that have the potential to be unsafe. I treat every blind spot as if there's something behind it ready to jump out at a moment's notice and I adjust my speed to anticipate it. I do that because I believe operating within legally defined parameters doesn't exempt me from the responsibility of my actions causing harm to another person.
We as a society are far too lenient toward drivers who take for granted the fact that they're in control of high-velocity heavy-machinery that can and do kill people on a daily basis. Traffic deaths aren't an inevitability, in most cases they're caused by overconfidence.
Fair point, it was indeed between crosswalks. But from the sound of it, the kids had been waiting to cross, and the younger kid jumped out on his own.
The older kid saw the danger, meaning the car should have been able to see at least one kid too. I maintain that if you can't react safely to kids you can see jumping unexpectedly off the curb as you drive by, you have no business driving.
Without seeing the incident, it's hard to say whether the driver should have reasonably been able to stop in time. Given what we know, it's entirely possible that he could not.
The only way I can see the driver not being at fault is if he 1) could not see the kids near the road, and 2) had no reason to expect people might be in blind spots near the road.
Given that there were houses less than 2 blocks from the site of the incident, 2 seems unlikely - this sounds like either a suburban or urban neighborhood (multiple crosswalks within 2 blocks for a 4 lane road). No mention was made of any obstructions, which is not evidence in itself; but it's the rare four lane road that hasn't had obstructions cleared from the sides of the road (partly for this reason!), particularly in a non-rural area. At a glance, Gastonia seems to generally keep their roads clear.
I can certainly be convinced otherwise with more evidence, but the burden of vehicle safety absolutely lies on the driver. If you can't respond fast enough to a seven year old running out in front of you from a place you can't see; you are, by definition, driving too fast - regardless of the posted speed limit. And if you can see them, and aren't driving in such a way as to be able to keep them safe should they run in front of you, you're driving recklessly.
Except not really. It's a small town and from the article it sounds like the driver is an old person who has lived there for many years. They know what time kids are around, they know where kids usually hang out, and if they have half a brain they'll drive 15 mph in those areas.
My regular commute takes me near an elementary school, and every morning when I see those kids I drop my speed very low because you never know what they're going to do. It's your basic moral responsibility to keep the speed down because you know that small children don't have the experience and common sense to keep themselves out of the street.
Reasons why this community exists.
It doesn’t matter where I’m from, you are supposed to be able to stop
45mph speed limit. No way u will stop in a dime.
Probably too high of a limit then
Double lane. Normal everywhere. We will be seeing stories like this everyday.
Also trucks these days are big. You can't even see people 5 ft in front of the full size truck And I have a tundra. It's massive
Sounds like trucks shouldn't be so big and should prioritize visibility then
Only normal in America
Yep. U got this right. People here are just dumb. Kid jumps in from of the car that is going 45mph. Parents should be holding hand and not letting kids just do what the kids want to do.
Oh, so you think we shouldnt have designated places and tools for murdering children?
Why do you hate america and freedom?
That would mean every driver on the highway is driving recklessly.
"yes! Now you see how carbrained society is"
counterpoint: society is to blame, not individual drivers.
Nah, highways tend have lots of visibility around them, you can see a person a long ways off. Though, if you do see a kid on the side (and don't intend to stop), you should absolutely be slowing down and giving them a wide berth!