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[–] thejml@lemm.ee 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It should never be just “we want to have a child so we will”. That’s self centered, short sighted and irresponsible.

Anyone looking to have children should think through at the minimum:

  • do we have the money to raise a child?
  • who will be able to raise and care for them
  • will the child have the ability to grow and succeed in the environment we’re bringing them into?
  • will the above to be to the standard we would want for the child?

To bring a child into a bad environment, with no time or money to spend on the child, is to bring the child into this world setup for failure and would only put a drain on the system, the resources, the climate, the relatives, etc.

People are choosing (in Japan and elsewhere around the world) to not have children because of the less than favorable conditions outlined above, and many others.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

As a resident of a developing country, having spent time observing different socio-economic classes and lurked in my country's subreddit, I noticed that the most vocal opponents of natalism are mostly from the younger upper-middle class due to those aforementioned issues plus the fear of losing the ability for self-fulfillment (they would rather choose having a better career and/or excel in their interests/passion projects than traditional domesticity which they see as boring, stressful, and mundane). Unfortunately, some of them also happen to harbor a disdain towards the lower classes they see as "less civilized", a strain on resources, and purportedly reproduce more than necessary.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

Govts around the world think like prolifers, they only want them to be born but have no idea or even care how they will grow up.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

That's true. My argument is that before, when people had more children, they didn't care about bringing them into a bad world. Even 100 years ago it was expected some of your children will die.

Now, children dying is not a nice thing. Luckily we solved it and these days if you behave like our ancestors you will have too many children for society to be sustainable.

But if you're in a situation where there are too few children for a sustainable society, encouraging risk would help.

All being said, I actually believe we need to reduce the human population. But we don't know how to handle a sudden decline, or if we can level it out later. So a gradual decrease would be preferable.