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[–] vzq@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I was being deliberately combative, but there’s a kernel of truth. Our discipline had been at it for decades and we have no idea how to write maintainable, secure, usable software. Most of the things we write are neither of those things, despite our very best efforts. As an engineering discipline, we failed miserably.

That said, AI is definitely not going to improve things. It’s going to make things worse. Much much worse.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What? Who are we in this case? Because we as a community do know how to. The question is does our Stakeholders know that it may cost more and do they even care?

So it circles back to the meme. Does the vibe coder care if the AI Slop is maintainable, safe and secure? Or does they even know how to spot it?

[–] vzq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

What? Who are we in this case? Because we as a community do know how to. The question is does our Stakeholders know that it may cost more and do they even care?

This really pisses me off. Do you think civil engineers would build unsafe bridges because “stakeholders” told them to? No, because they would go to fucking jail.

We are a fucking disgrace. We need software liability laws because apparently we can’t stand up for ourselves and our profession.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Do you think civil engineers would build unsafe bridges because “stakeholders” told them to? No, because they would go to fucking jail.

sure the first iteration of the bridge would be up to spec as they need to be inspected first to be approved. So the Stakeholders would do anything to get it done, buuuuuuut maybe not with the best materials and the best engineers/workers but certainly on time in mind.

But afterwards? when it comes to maintaining the bridge; eeeh, its good enough, here a patchwork; who cares if there are potholes everywhere, you can still use it right?

We are a fucking disgrace. We need software liability laws because apparently we can’t stand up for ourselves and our profession.

Can't really stand up when CEOs constantly lay off teams. So why would one guy who stands up for what is just and right matters to them?