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[–] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 42 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

That fucking dickhead has citizenship in Canada, a matter that needs to be corrected. His grandfather got kicked out for trying the same bullshit here.

[–] Little_mouse@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Revoking citizenship is a bad president.

He's actively aiding and abbeding the government of a hostile foreign nation that has vocally demanded we scede our sovereignty and surrender our territory to them.

He should be charged with treason.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

a bad president

Yes, he is.

[–] Gonkulator@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I gotta know, what did elrods granpappy do in canada? Shit apple dont fall far from the shit tree randy?

[–] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

“An ‘Invisible Government,’ working to carry out the objectives of the International Conspiracy, is operating in every country,” he wrote in his book The International Conspiracy in Health, which was published in the mid-1960s. In it, he also said the conspiracy was pushing for the fluoridation of water supplies, mandatory milk pasteurization and mass vaccination programs.

“He never had any person that would be considered a spiritual guide,” Scott Haldeman told CBC in an email. “He felt he knew the Bible better than any minister and only went to church for weddings and funerals.”

After Technocracy, Haldeman decided he would start his own political party, Total War and Defence. In his 1941 book, Total War and Defence for Canada, which was his manifesto for this new party, he argued for a policy of total conscription to support our British allies during the Second World War.

He called for the conscription of “every employable man and woman between the ages of sixteen and sixty” and “all natural resources, all industrial equipment and all property,” including “all bank deposits and private holdings of money.”

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What are the exact circumstances that can result in someone's citizenships being revoked?

Certainly Muskrat has done SOMETHING at this point that warrants it.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Your Canadian citizenship may be revoked (taken away) if you:

  • committed fraud
  • misrepresented yourself
  • knowingly hid information on an immigration or citizenship application

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship/enforcement-violations/enforcement-violations-revoking-citizenship.html

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

My emotional instinct is to agree. My rational brain has serious concerns about revoking citizenship as a punishment.

If this was to be done, it would have to be done with the most extreme caution possible. Paper citizens with zero ties to the country and who promote treason, but not just Canadians we are super mad at.

I’m torn because on the one hand I’m concerned about the precedent and how a hypothetical future CPC PM might abuse it. Then again the American example shows that not having precedent set isn’t a huge barrier to evil policy, and the CPC shares near-identical ideology to them.

At the very least though we can encourage our representatives and institutions to cut ties with X

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This is the correct take—no matter what the heart tells us in the moment, it's important to remember that citizenship is a big deal.

I'm more inclined to look at it from another angle, that if he has citizenship in Canada he should, as a person of means and influence, also bear certain responsibilities to preserve the shared values of Canadians and respect the rights of the people who live there. Deliberate acts which endanger those values, particularly given his degree of influence, should face penalties or some other punishment based on his responsibilities as a citizen, and if he disagrees with that he is free to give that citizenship up.

If Canada is looking for ideas, I can say that the US has it in law that all American citizens are still required to file taxes even on income earned abroad, which is crazy but has been a thing for a long time. Maybe Canada could come up with a nice billionaire's tax that applies to expats and their foreign assets, which could either bring in some good money or drive away the leeches for good.

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

I have no problem revoking citizenship of people who misrepresent who they are before they come here.

[–] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

They got rid of his shitty grandfather, and somehow the country survived. Grow a pair. You want us all to live according to what traitors might do ? Democrats in the us made a living doing that, how did it work out ?

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 hours ago

I get that you’re upset. So am I.

But revoking citizenship is a big deal and it deserves to be treated as such.

Since you’re being disrespectful I’m going to end the conversation now.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Its a question of the process and the criteria. I'm a Canadian citizen. I want to know that citizenship is a status I hold securely, not something the government can revoke if I do something they don't like. There would have to be a rigorous process for it. But it would be better, I think, to deal with citizens under Canadian law and not to consider undoing their citizenship. Any power to remove it is ripe for abuse and a likely slippery slope.