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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.

The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.

The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Their argument is liberals capitulating to the right in order to "win over voters" which will never vote for them. Not an exact 1 to 1 comparison.

Kamala did support the brutal crackdown on student protesters. But, she did indeed not deport them. That said, ICE under Biden and Kamala was already heavily in violation of human rights and continuing the Trump 2016 agenda. Deportation of wrongthink is but the next logical step of the ratchet effect.

[–] VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah it's "weird" how up in arms liberals were when Trump opened the concentration camps but how quiet they were when Biden neglected to close them so he could use them even more than Trump did

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Ah yes, those are some perfectly standard talking points.

I think I will do up a FAQ for the disinformation community or something, it is getting tiring repeatedly typing the same responses. But I do appreciate the extra effort to at least put together something which has some semblance of plausibility instead of just seeing “Gaza” and reaching for the “Kamala Harris” button without bothering to make it make sense or relate in literally any way at all. Big improvement. Good stuff.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Their comparison is to Liberals because "Liberals" are currently running Germany instead of the "far right". Whatever these terms even mean anymore, seeing they both love Fascism.

If the AfD was in charge the comparison would have been to Trump.

German Liberals also appear to also do their very best to hand an easy win to the far right next election by blaming immigrants and protesters for everything instead of addressing any economic issues. Thus making the entire populace vote more right similar to how Liz Kamaley handed the win to Trump.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Berlin is run by right-wing conservatives, not liberals. The federal government lacks authority for states deciding whom to deport.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The map said Berlin was "left" in the last German elections. Is this not representative?

Those are the results from the 2024 European Parliament Election.

Here are the results of the more relevant 2023 State Parliament Election:

The state government is right-wing conservatives with centrist-at-best "social" democrats. Both are very supportive of police cracking down on people who wouldn't have voted for them anyways.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Berlin currently has a black-red government. I have no idea what your map there is showing. State elections wouldn't show a federal map and the last federal elections don't match, compare e.g. SH's districts (northernmost state).

Berlin is kinda notorious for being a police state, and of the "IDGAF" nature, not "stickler for law" one.

[–] RainbowHedgehog@50501.chat 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I appreciate it as well. I don’t like people dismissing the wrong Biden and Kamala have done. However, the people constantly saying it doesn’t matter if you vote for Kamala or Trump because they’re both fascist is wrong and annoying.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

IndustryStandard literally didn't say that.

[–] RainbowHedgehog@50501.chat 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

IndustryStandard criticizing Kamala but mentioning Kamala wouldn’t do all the same things as Trump. I like how they mentioned it was the a stepping stone for Trump’s deportations but I was not referring to that specifically.

Kamala did support the brutal crackdown on student protesters. But, she did indeed not deport them. That said, ICE under Biden and Kamala was already heavily in violation of human rights and continuing the Trump 2016 agenda. Deportation of wrongthink is but the next logical step of the ratchet effect.

PhilipTheBucket liking that that IndustryStandard’s post was nuanced and not as simple as “Kamala bad”.

I think I will do up a FAQ for the disinformation community or something, it is getting tiring repeatedly typing the same responses. But I do appreciate the extra effort to at least put together something which has some semblance of plausibility instead of just seeing “Gaza” and reaching for the “Kamala Harris” button without bothering to make it make sense or relate in literally any way at all. Big improvement. Good stuff.

I was trying to say I liked the nuanced discussion, and was expanding on it with my own experiences.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

PhilipTheBucket liking that that IndustryStandard’s post was nuanced and not as simple as “Kamala bad”.

Uh... I'm pretty sure you misunderstood that. PhilipTheBucket was speaking ironically; they were saying that IndustryStandard's response is still disinformation, just higher quality disinformation that's meant to look vaguely plausible. This is not a nuanced discussion; it's PhilipTheBucket dismissing IndustryStandard's response as disinformation and propaganda meant to make America's Great Saviors look bad.

[–] RainbowHedgehog@50501.chat 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They forgot the “/s” then. I couldn’t pick up on that.

Also, what is “America’s Great Saviors?”

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 4 days ago

The Democratic Party. That part is ironic use by me.