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[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

If you ran humanity in thousands of simulations how often would we end up in the same capitalistic situation?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

the majority would be relatively the same with minor variances on cultural customs and traditions, society conforms to law whether if you realize it or not, this is a chief principle of materialist philosophy, understanding that the things conform to definite laws and that we must and can discover them. Historical materialism is the materialist conception of history with the conclusion that the development of production is the chief driving force in the development of society, quantitative improvements in production lead to qualitative changes in how society is organized.

With this in mind, Communism is a stage of development where developments in production led to a society of abundance that ended the exploitation of man by man. Communist states, like China, are not in that stage but are organized to pursue that goal, this is why China has a massive focus point on the development of productive industries.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Very frequently, but it is exactly just as likely it would have moved on to Socialism and eventually Communism, or retained feudalism, it all depends on when in development.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Fantastic question! The answer is no, not necessarily. The PRC is Socialist, and never had a true "Capitalist" phase. It currently has a Socialist Market Economy, but never really had a stage dominated entirely by Capitalism.

There are also reversions. Russia reverted to Capitalism, and Germany almost became Communist, but was stopped by the Nazi Party coming to power.

However, all of that being said, history does generally progress alongside technological development, and the Mode of Production follows suit.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, let's hope the great filter isn't something we encounter before we see some cool shit.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

this rather shows the untestability of the hypothesis. this is no test at all.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's an unanswerable question. Just something to think about. My intention was to ponder how much external forces dictate our society rather than the internal expressive ones.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Far less often than we end up with communalist hunter gatherers and early agrarian communes and evidently for a much shorter time. Does that mean feudalism can never work? Capitalism is never at any point of productive development possible?

If you've never studied an economics text (a real, materialist one, not fucking graphs with conveniently simple and clean cut rules that never seem to apply and zero statistics) then try not to speak so authoritatively on economics.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

So many it would be hard to count, at least 4 or 5. But numbers don't really go much higher than that. Any caveman could tell you that.