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Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they will anyway, because they'd rather split the vote than let progressives win. Dunno why you think that's the case at every other point along the way but that they'll just bow to higher goals when someone is much more explicitly trying to eat their lunch.

At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and "the team".

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and “the team”.

For that, you have to win a primary. And we cannot trust what democrats hilariously call primaries, when they have them at all.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why? AOC wins primaries, Omar wins primaries, Bernie wins primaries (for his senate seat). Unless you think they only cheat for the presidency, this "primaries are rigged" view seems like roughly the same level of conspiracy as the MAGAs.

What's the conspiracy that's so undefeatable it's easier to build a new party from scratch that needs to overcome vote splitting in every election?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Why? AOC wins primaries, Omar wins primaries, Bernie wins primaries (for his senate seat).

Bernie isn't a democrat.

Unless you think they only cheat for the presidency, this “primaries are rigged” view seems like roughly the same level of conspiracy as the MAGAs.

Was what they did in order to make sure Cuellar kept his seat rigging? Was failing to protect Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman rigging?

What’s the conspiracy that’s so undefeatable it’s easier to build a new party from scratch that needs to overcome vote splitting in every election?

Right. Any level of unhappiness with the party's partiality to pro-genocide centrists and away from anyone interested in doing something other then capitulating must be a conspiracy.

I'm sure that democrats just found exactly enough votes to avert a shutdown because there are only 10 cowards in the entire caucus.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Bernie, who is conveniently not a Democrat when people (centrists and leftists) want him to not be a Democrat, wins Democratic primaries. He's not even in the party and he's the supposed example of true leftism opposed to neoliberal centrism, and he still wins the primaries. He could go it alone in a three way race like you wanted, and the all-powerful DNC could rig his primary so he'd be out of their hair for good, but weirdly both don't. Because in the end it's just the votes that matter and winning a primary to clear a lane and then winning a 1-on-1 against the conservatives is easier and more effective.

And no, those things aren't rigging. Opposing coalitions of centrists using their social influence or even antagonistic organizations spending money on advertising does not mean the vote is unfair. And neither of those things go away if you just decide to make a new party. However you label yourselves, you need to be ready and able to beat that.

And people do! AIPAC wanted Omar out too. The party establishment never wanted AOC to win. They both had less money and less influence than the forces arrayed against them, and they won by just doing good politics and convincing regular people to vote for them. Because whatever money and machine politics was against them, the thing that counts is still just votes.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Bernie, who is conveniently not a Democrat when people (centrists and leftists) want him to not be a Democrat

He's also conveniently not a democrat when democrats want to argue in court that they don't have to run fair primaries.