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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 20 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Loooool have fun with your shitty wine. Besides you can't even have your own champagne as it's location trademarked.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 11 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.

Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago

In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don't spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.

[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 3 points 21 hours ago

Turns out the sun and vine do most of the work huh

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

But no matter how good it is, it will never be called champagne

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It's only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there's nothing France can do about it.

The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there's someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen's agreements.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

There was a Central American country that demonstrated damages by the US, and was authorised by the International Courts to ignore US IP up to the value of damages claimed?

I think it was Belize and illegal blocks on gambling websites (because folks were still able to use US based gambling websites).

My point is that if the US ignores internationally recognised rules, such as regional naming, and causes demonstrated damage then it doesn't have to be repaid in like.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

@veroxii @neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there's not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I'm sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/

[–] person1@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Yup. A lot of US income comes from predatory IP laws.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

That's made globally.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 16 hours ago

@HenriVolney well yeah, there are *brands* but I don't think there are any geographical designations to compete with eg champagne, other than bourbon.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.

But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.

Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.

[–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

celebrated for its excellence

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 22 hours ago

Or rather: Mwaaaaah thefrenchchampangeiscelebratedforitsexcellence.

[–] FreeRangeMustard@lemm.ee 4 points 22 hours ago

It’s piss, isn’t it?

[–] pauldrye@lemm.ee 4 points 22 hours ago

You probably should not be surprised to learn that the US does not entirely recognize the appellation. If the wine was marketed as "Champagne" prior to 2006, they may use the name in the United States.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world -4 points 17 hours ago

European wine is no better than American and I say that with a complete lack of national pride lol