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Compare american vs japanese craftsmen-cars (feddit.de)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Freeman@feddit.de to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

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Comparison left vs right for a craftsman who doesnt know which one he should buy:

l/r same bed size
r lower bed for way easier loading/unloading
r less likely to crash
r less fuel consumption and costs
r less expensive to repair
r easy to park
r easy to get around in narrow places like crowded construction sites or towns
r not participating in road arms race
l You get taken serious by your fellow carbrained americans because ""trucks"" are normalized and small handy cars are ridiculed.

So unless you are a fragile piece of human, choose the right one.

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[–] BeardedPip@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Having a back seat is a legit feature. Other than that, you are right on. I would love to have a real small trucks available in the US. But thanks to Country Music that is just not possible.

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[+] Abnorc@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Who benefits from keeping these trucks out of american makets?

a) the consumers

b) existing auto manufacturers

Who chooses to keep these trucks out of american markets?

a) the consumers

b) the governments/lawmakers

Edit american not western.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Uh, mate, we see these all the time. Maybe you need to redefine your idea of "western"?

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[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I miss mini-trucks badly and wish there was an American market for them.

Or even what used to be regular size would be fine. My work just got a behemoth and it's technically a "small". I have to literally climb in by jumping to catch the roof (no handle on the basic model) and doing part of a pull-up. I'm short but not a little person.

[–] killa44@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

It's not about consumer markets really. The CAFE emissions regulations essentially allow vehicles with larger dimensions to get lower mileage. So instead of the regulations ostensibly intended to lower emissions forcing better mileage, manufacturers just make bigger cars with the same or worse mileage than before. I used to have an S10 that got almost 20mpg, could park anywhere, could haul full sheets of plywood, and was surprisingly capable of road (came with the ZR2 package).

People still want this, they just aren't built because of asinine laws that get created through massive amounts of lobbying.

Neat!

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[–] TraceLines@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

How does each hold up in a collision tho? Crumple zones take up space, not something terribly present in the kei truck.

Not that this makes the 2500's faults or anything. It just seems worth noticing.

[–] Krtek@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Oh definitely, helps if every third car or so is like the one on the right. Would be nice if the government subsidised the right ones and not the ones on the left

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In a collision, fewer people die with the small vehicle.

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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So basically, "fuck other people! I care about my own safety and that's it!"
Lovely sentiment, no wonder the US is doing so great.

[–] TraceLines@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, it was a simple question about the overall efficacy of surviving a crash.

And if you had participated in other parts of the conversation, you'd see that there is actually movement on that front. TL;DR, since you seem in a hurry, both trucks are equally safe at a speed that most collisions happen ( under 40mph ).

But if you want to make that about "AMERICANS ARE EVIL", I can't really stop you. <3

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[–] mayo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Anyone drive one of these in Canada during the winter?

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[–] butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I recently bought a car and really wanted a kei truck, but I have to drive highway to get to work and I couldn't find a highway legal one for any remotely sane price :/ hopefully I'll find one next time I'm looking

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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

One of these are not for work. You don't risk a dent on a $60,000 show piece.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago

But the right one doesn't have enough room for a crate of piss-weak "beer", a gun rack, or a perch for your eagle.

[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I feel the Ford Maverick is a step in the right direction.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Japan is known for not having much on-street parking, you need the extra 10 feet of height to see over the SUVs parked on every street corner here.

They don't even sell like the tiny rangers anymore, the f150 trucks are so ridiculously oversized

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I sort of need a truck. I routinely buy full size sheet goods (plywood, OSB, etc). So I bought my first ever truck. A Ford Maverick, got the hybrid engine. The amount of people who try to make fun of it and say it's not a truck is insane. I don't care, I bought it cuz it's not really an American truck and it does what I need out of a truck. The obsession with making trucks larger and larger in the US is wild.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Even Toyota's own Tacoma line is much more modest than that monstrosity on the left side of the image. I think their business and marketing people saw the trend in America for increasingly larger pickup trucks and pushed back against it, realizing themselves that it's pointless and ridiculous to have a truck that large.

All of the Tacoma's I've driven were pretty straightforward trucks despite it having 4 seats.

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