Shouldn't removing Jesus from his torture device be a good thing? I could never understand the logic behind worshipping the thing that killed and subjected their god to pain.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Your mistake is trying to think of Christianity logically

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Christianity is build around guilt and penance. So of course the main christian religious figure would be in helluva of suffering too.

[–] DeHuq2@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And anyone trying to stop the suffering is eeevil~. I seriously don't know why they thought it would portray bolsheviks in a bad light.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Because God decided that death was necessary punishment, and God obviously doesn't have the power to change God's own decision, so God had God take a weekend vacation which apparently counted as death

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Specially when one of the main teachings is the suffering of the main figure is our fault.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Our fault after we were deliberately set up and lied to lol

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 2 years ago

Local bolshevik rescues carpenter from torture device.

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

[–] aehnh@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

holy fuck this is the image i'd seen once in my life and i'd been looking for ever since. thank you

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago

zoidberg salute 2

[–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Damn I want a print of this to hang in my place, ice cold

[–] rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wouldnt say that, their anticommunist propaganda is also kind of anti-semitic

[–] aehnh@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Me and my Jewish comrades making the world a better place:

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[–] Zhuravliev@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago

It is playing on stereotypes of Jews as blood-sucking vampires and parasites, drinking the blood of Christian children, as notoriously claimed in the 'Elders of Zion'. It is presenting him as a demon, linking this with his Bolshevism and Jewishness. It is accentuating stereotypes about Jewish physical appearance while doing so. It is also playing on the proto-fascist fear at the time of the Judeo-Bolsheviks leading the 'asiatic/mongol hordes' of 'barbarians' to bring down 'civilized' Europe.

[–] Dunecat@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Word (portmanteau) chosen to be denote "Soviets State" is also a derisive one, typically used by those hostile to it. (Perhaps not unlike CPC vs CCP nowadays)

[–] rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You only see, that it is somehow against trotsky, isnt? This is a propaganda poster of the white army. It would be naive to think, that there is nothng anti-communist about this poster. So you have to take a look under which conditions this poster was made:

The white army blamed jews for bolshevism. Remeber the progroms? The protocols of the elders of zion and the black hundreds? In the propaganda of the white army Trotsky often had demonic features because he was jewish and played an important role in the civil war. This is a continuity of the anti-semitic agenda of tsarist russia. And it was in fact so, that young jews became revolutioners, they saw a better life in socialism, than in antisemitic tsarism.

the flag still says RSFSR, so im also confused how this would be anticommunist as well (unless being anti-trotsky = anti-communist?)

So what is the poster transtlated? "Peace and Freedom in the Soviet Russia" is written on the top. And you see a red demonic Trotsky, a jew with millions of skulls under him.

Should you be not conviced, then look here for the original poster, which i didnt post:

Also other posters from that time exist.

It is even without the david star antisemitic considering under which conditions it was created. The Nazis later extended it clearly with the idea of judeo-bolshevism, which also had its roots in all of the anti-semitic attacks (Dont forget Marx, he was often attacked of simply having jewish heritage) marxism received.

And if you look what the far right is saying about communism: Jews. October revolution: Jews. Marxism: Founded by jews and continued by jews. Jews, jews jews.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but it's not so easy to understand the seriousness of your comment

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[–] rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As I already said, I am sorry if that sounded harsh, but my explanation is still valid. I was not sure about your seriousness simply because you ended with the question: 'unless being anti-trotsky = anti-communist?)'

I have had enough contact with 'Marxists' who will even repeat straight far-right propaganda if it is something against Trotsky, even spreading antisemitic lies. His Jewish heritage is one of the most popular attack points. I have a Russian book here, named 'Leaders and Tyrants' from the 90s, which loves to point out every time that he is Jewish.

Considering all this and how your question was formulated, it could have been a non-serious question. A person asking this non-seriously would gain nothing, but rather reveal their hatred against Trotsky, even if it is done in an anti-semitic manner.

especially someone who's been in the grad for way more than you ever have

I don't know what you have read or not, how far you are already. But if I were to assume that you are well-read in Marxist literature, then your question would have everything of what I have described above. With the people I deal with, such a scenario is very likely, even online. Such is also possible on Lemmygrad, of course.

But now I know that it doesn't apply to you. That's why I also wrote that I am sorry for the harshness due to the uncertainty regarding your seriousness.

I hope you understand now why I answered the way I did.

However, it wasn't my intention to offend you. I am sorry if I did. But my explanation is still valid; you can ignore the harshness, or I can rewrite it in a manner that is not harsh.

unlike you i'm not aware of every single little thing about soviet history and culture.

I am also not aware of everything. I am still learning. But it is not about soviet culture or history. If you are interested in soviet culture, I encourage you to take look on soviet films.

[–] Anatolianin@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 years ago

Comrade saving person from brutal execution, based

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago

So the communists saved Jesus? Damn, they should be worshipped more than the Virgin Mary then!

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago

New wallpaper time

[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tbh the Communists would’ve been against the Roman Empire’s Imperialism and expansion. This isn’t far from what I would see happening if somehow Socialism was a political movement back then

[–] aehnh@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the people's front of judea? or the judean people's front

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Obviously the People’s Front of Judea, just like the Communist Party of China

[–] CITRUS@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'm so happy I saw Life of Brian after I had experienced leftist discourse firsthand, otherwise it would have all gone over my head.

[–] Zhuravliev@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

New rap album cover.

[–] AmerikaLosesWW3@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Communism. Bringer of Death to Nazis.