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I'd like to talk to the instance moderator who removed my community without talking to me first. (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world to c/support@lemmy.world
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As is stated in the title, I created and moderated !prolife@lemmy.world. According to the modlog, this community was removed 10 days ago. The modlog doesn't show me who removed the community. I understand the community wouldn't necessarily be everyone's cup of tea, but the actions taken seem improper.

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After making my case via email to info@lemmy.world, I received the following response:

"We would rather not have a prolife community on our instance. We were getting a lot of reports about it and we have enough on our plate. I'm sure you can find an instance that better suits your needs."

This community was incredibly small (19 subscribers), had less than 10 postings, and had several waves of trollings. Yet, the admins of lemmy.world would rather do away with this community than bother to review if it has broken any rules or is the target of trolling/bullying. I take nothing away from the right to run their instance as they see fit. Perhaps the Code of Conduct should also explicitly state "we reserve the right to do anything we want, regardless of any published rules".

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, here's the thing. lemmy.world is hosted by someone that wants to host Lemmy on their own infra. Someone is choosing to serve it out of their own good will. You created a very controversial community, and the person hosting the instance didn't want it to be on the server. That's all there is to it.

This is the same thing as being racist at someone's dinner party and getting kicked out for it. You're not entitled to run a community at a place that isn't yours. But that's the neat part: Lemmy is open source and federated. You can create your own Lemmy instance that is your own and be as anti-women on there as you want. Maybe some other like-minded servers will even want to federate with you.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

It is of course the right of the lemmy.world to run their instance any way they want.

But they owe it to the community to communicate clearly who is welcome on their server. The sidebar reads:

The World's Internet Frontpage

Lemmy.world is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use.

That certainly makes it sound like they’re trying to be a default neutral lemmy instance welcoming of every valid discussion topic from every end of the political spectrum. A Reddit replacement. Reddit allows right wing discussion.

Whatever their intent, they could at least respond to this discussion.

I don’t agree with your pithy “that’s all there is to it”

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Misogyny is not welcome here. This instance is Europe based and that crap won't fly here.

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

This instance is ~~Europe~~ based and that crap won't fly here.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I am firmly pro-choice, but I don’t think pro-life voices should be deplatformed, unless they were inciting violence. Deplatforming nazis is one thing, but this isn’t that. Deplatforming prolife communities is basically banning large parts of Christianity, including Catholicism.

I was unaware that one had to pass a political purity test in order to participate in lemmy.world. If that is the case, i will probably look to move on to a different instance unless an admin can give a legit reason for this banning.

I don’t want to take a political purity test to be here, even if it’s one I’m sure I would pass.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If I was an instance admin, I would prefer the community be called AntiAbortion, rather than ProLife or ForcedBirthers tbh, the latter two names are more likely to piss people off vs the first one.

Same could be said for ProAbortion or ProChoice, but due to my bias I don't see anything wrong with those names - although I acknowledge it could upset some religious denominations, and of course those who oppose that stance

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Everyone has the right to self identify. “Pro life” is the name the movement chose for itself.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Pro-life is inherently violent because they force wwn to carry nonviable pregnancies to term.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I chose lemmy.world because their listing on join-lemmy.org called it “the worlds internet frontpage”. I thought it would be a good neutral Reddit replacement. If this is not the case, can anyone recommend one that is? What about lemmy.one?

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy.one is run by the guy who runs privacy guides.org. That being said, if you look at the small list of communities he created, I guarantee that he won't allow any conservative views there either. There's one privacy community and 4 or 5 alternative lifestyle communities.

Better off making your own instance at this point. Most of Lemmy is liberal/left wing regardless of what their sidebars say.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I’m a little annoyed by the implication that someone who is liberal or left wing wouldn’t allow conservatives on a discussion forum.

Free speech is a core part of liberalism.

[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Probably violated TOS. "pro life" is a descriptor for a set of loosely connected beliefs aimed at subjugating half of the world's population. Find an instance that is OK with slavery and hate speech, it will probably go better for you there.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.one -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Are there pro-choice communities?

Pro-choice ranges anywhere from using contraceptives and real reproductive health, to murdering babies just because they aren't wanted.

Your opinions are as valid as theirs. It doesn't matter which one of you are wrong.
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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You appear to think abortion is the act of killing the fetus. This is wrong. Abortion is the act of removing the fetus from the womb.

It would be more comparable to removing a braindead human "vegetable" from life support.

By contrast, a staunch pro-life view endangers actual living breathing humans, by denying essential health care to those with non-viable pregnancies.

So, yes, pro-choice communities exist, because being pro-choice is the morally correct path. Anyone guided by critical inquiry instead of childish ick factor will arrive at this conclusion.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.one -3 points 2 years ago

"You appear to think abortion is the act of killing the fetus. This is wrong. Abortion is the act of removing the fetus from the womb."

So what typically happens when you remove a fetus (with a heartbeat, brain activity, and arguably, a functioning CNS) from the womb? It dies.

While I believe you are almost completely wrong, it's your right to discuss it. It's mine to disagree. However, one side can't discuss their beliefs if the other side who controls the button says no.

You're saying that abortions are used to end non-viable pregnancies. I'm saying that there are millions of people who do it because they just don't want the product of their intercourse. Some abortions I can accept, in very specific circumstances, but we will still never agree.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I checked the terms for lemmy.world and mastodon.world. I don't what rule was explicitly broken. That's why I am asking to discuss this with the mod team.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Might be a good spot for one of the instance moderators to chime in. Not sure if it's appropriate to tag them in posts like this but it might be a nice spot to provide a clear explanation that others can point to for future examples of this type of removal.

I didn't see anything about misinformation in the CoC but one of them might have felt the community was inflammatory. It'll also be interesting to see if this is one of those things they just don't want on their instance. While we would like impartial instances in general, they are running it for us and Lemmy is likely in a limbo period of trying to establish precedence for what is allowed.

One of the reasons I wanted to follow this post is to hopefully get an even clearer explanation on what is allowed and what to expect going forward from this instance.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup. Totally reasonable take. I'm all for following the rules. I just didn't see any rules being broken by creating the !prolife@lemmy.world community.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I wasn't able to see the posts from the community as it has been removed, but the comments in that community from you point to the possibility that it was inflammatory.

A response from an instance moderator should help clarify the reasoning though.