If you were an all knowing all powerful god who supposedly loves everyone unconditionally, would you create a fiery pit and send people there for all eternity?
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You don't understand. I touched my peepee. I deserve this.
I murdered 50 people. But then I found Jesus, so I'm going to heaven. This is fair.
I'm a member of an uncontacted tribe, and was going to go to heaven for being completely ignorant of Jesus, but now that you told me about him, I'm going to hell if I don't convert.
I literally murdered by son and offered my daughters to be raped by the entire town. I’m going to heaven!
Biblically accurate incel or something, idk I skipped the book to the end
Ah you missed out on god sending bears to maul children to death for mocking a man’s hair.
Yeah, I just wanted to screenshot the part where a guy claimed a woman as a prize for collecting foreskins
God never loved anyone unconditionally. My favorite Bible quote:
Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. ...whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. — Matthew 25:41–43 (NIV)
He very explicitly hates selfish people. VERY specifically these people, spoken by Jesus, this group of people are damned to hell. Gays, never spoken of by Jesus, btw.
Any entity who tortures their creations for eternity based solely on their performance over a ~80 year time span is not an entity worthy of worship.
Any entity that either permits or doesn't have the power to prevent suffering on earth isn't worthy of worship either.
If there is a supreme being, they've either failed or they're malevolent.
Of course! They ate shrimps!
Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried.
The fiery pit/dante's hell version doesn't actually exist in the bible. The main thing about hell is you don't experience god's love/presence, which is weird but a lot better than an eternity of torture.
If you experience god's presence please consult with your psychiatrist, I'm not joking lol
People who think God has talked to them are just people who really sure about a thought they had
That's wild. Have you tried DMT?
I'm just referring to what's in the bible, I'm agnostic. (Incidentally, I only became agnostic after reading the book of job)
So why have churches been threatening their victims with hell for centuries? Could it be they all make it up as they go along?
What about the post right above you?
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
God's love seems a little temperamental and reserved for some nasty people. I think I'm good on God's love.
Oh he is, but that post above is Mathew talking.
The example Id use is the book of Job. Basically Satan and God conspire to make a faithful guy's life horrible.
The rest of the stuff you said isn’t in the Bible either
Anyone who has the power to put you there for eternity probably has the power to make it so you don't get used to it
At what point does it stop being a punishment and just all you've ever experienced?
Like how would they make it so you don't get use to it? Erase your memory every 10 minutes? Sounds like the end of those 10 minutes is relief. So all you've ever experienced is 10 minutes of pain than relief. Doesn't sound so bad. Even if all you ever remembered was the memories of your past life and then 10 mins of pain at least you would have those good memories to reflect on before you would have relief again.
You're trying to corporealize a concept that is fundamentally non-corporeal. An omnipotent being could make eternal suffering mean suffering eternally simply by virtue of being all-powerful. The means by which this is done is (would be) completely beyond our understanding or even able to be conceived by our current understanding of the world.
Which is exactly why it it's so obvious that it was created by the minds of men. It doesn't make sense to our understanding of the world/physics and the only argument anyone has comes down to "well if this all powerful God I can't prove did exist he'd be able to do all of this in a way we can't understand!"
Sure, but anyone can theorize an all powerful omnipotent being and then make up whatever rules about them damning/saving you and the necessary conjecture about them being so beyond us that we can't understand it.
To me that's just a shield against criticism, a red flag that the person making the argument is attempting to bring it into the realm of unfalsifiability. A very human tendency for a very human idea of god.
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A little bit of the salt of relief can bring out the sweetness of suffering
Wasn't there a modern story about how Sisyphus got used to rolling the boulder and found joy in the nuances and being swole?
I love this interpretation lmao
Assuming there's enough supernatural power to sustain a torture pit of fire for all eternity, It's probably trivial to just have you suffer non-stop regardless of any hypothetical limits.
However, even in real life pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don't dull themselves after a while, the way our smell and sight receptors do
pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don't dull themselves after a while
Man, that's some bullshit.
Come on Body, can't you just have some, like, nice things that aren't purely functional?
Pretty sure chronic pain even in regular life is a thing.
Ok but chronic pain happens what, 100 years max?
Now that times infinity....
Ouchie
I mean your senses would adapt to it which means you would die.
As you cannot die as you are invincible, your nerves cannot take damage. But that would mean your brain would overstimulate and that also cannot take damage.
So either you stay in constant pain, which has to get lower and lower as you cant handle constant pain (legalize Cannabis for those people for fucks sake).
So I guess yes, to stay invincible you have to get used to it.
Or you have pain and damage, but that state resets like all the time. So you would stay in a state of immediate pain, without remembering the past, as it has to be removed entirely, as that pain will harm your brain.
So you would stay in immediate pain without a sense of time, which is probably way way less extreme than you imagine it but still horrible.
So people, just dont believe that crap. When you die its over, and that may be an even harder truth to accept.
It's not real. Could be anything
Firey pits are real. But you only need to worry about them while you're alive, not after you die. Unless of course you don't wanna be cremated.
All I'm saying is if you expiernced anything for eternity would your understanding of pain or even pleasure have any meaning at all?
Does the concept of eternity have any meaning at all? It's a very philosophically nebulous thing when taken beyond a superficial level. We can't fathom existing for a huge number of years anymore than we can conceive being the size of the universe. Spiritually being eternally cast into fire could mean to be removed from the being that is everything which is to be nothing forevermore. Or eternity can just mean until the end of time, which could very well be finite.
I think if Christians advertised no after life as punishment some might find it a pleasant thought. To stop existing... there is no fear in it. It's our drive for survival that created fear. There is no sorrow in it there is no need for sorrow or happiness because nothingness doesn't have chemical fueled emotions.
Depends on a whole lot of factors, most of which we don’t even know we don’t know. Presumably, they believe that an all powerful being would find it easy to make sure to maximize the suffering.
Not getting used to it IS the punishment
But how? Like I'm not saying you won't feel pain or won't suffer but if we're talking all of time that is just your state of being having known nothing else.
IDK dude it's shit some guys in the desert came up with, probably while high
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