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[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

My understanding is that humans pretty much use about the same amount of calories a day, whether sedentary or not. If you spend more on exercise, your body spends less on other things.

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myths-about-how-humans-burn-calories-and-why

The amount your body uses just to stay alive dwarfs what you'd burn from adding cycling to your day.

Edited to add the "much" that I somehow deleted.

[–] HerbSolo@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Talk to a bike courier if you get the chance to. The amounts of calories they burn in a shift is ridiculous.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 days ago

my dad has tales of gymbro cowokers who can inhale like 3 pizzas in a sitting and still be hungry, yet they're not in the least pudgy

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Most people are way above the amount of calories they need. Doing more exercise just burns that excess and you need to do a ton more exercise to actually get to the point where you need to eat more to cover that surplus consumption.

So if you do an 8h cycling shift you might need to eat more. But if you just commute to work for an hour per day (half an hour per direction) you will not need to take in more calories.

[–] BobBarker@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago

I think what it means is that yes, you can burn more calories in a given active session (working out for example) but the amount of calories you expend over a year for example, divided by the number of days, ends up being about the same regardless.

I guess one of the more popular reasons as to why is because your body is capable of compensating for high intensity sessions when you’re not as active, and being extremely active for long ends up burning you out so you can’t do it anymore (and you get sick or injured).

But from what I’ve seen, exercise is still really good for you, it’s just not exactly for the reasons we used to think. I know in my (very anecdotal) case, I actually eat less when I’m working out regularly just out of instinct. Maybe it’s my body’s way of going “we need to stay light because we have to run again tomorrow”?

[–] SolarBoy@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 days ago

There is a video from kurzgesagt on this very topic: link

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 2 points 5 days ago

One other interesting thing is brown fat. Dr Karl told this story loads of times on the 5live science podcast, so it's bound to be in one of the 2010 or 2011 episodes.

Iirc: a group of women went to Antarctica and put an a lot of body fat beforehand. But even after that, the cold was so enough to make their bodies turn their white fat into brown fat and they lost a ton of weight.

Not the Dr Karl episode: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5nrBw8X5NhXxv04J7H1vn2J/the-body-fat-that-can-make-you-thin

So the answer is live somewhere freezing for a bit if you want to lose weight.

(In my case, for some reason eating chocolate helps keeps my tummy fat down. I ballooned after giving it up, even though the rest of my diet was the same.)

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I read a carbrain article a while ago that tried to argue that cyclists create more CO2 than a car.

So to compare that they assumed that

  • The cyclist eats exactly as much calories as required, so that extra exercise directly requires an increase of caloric intake. They did the same for the driver.
  • The cyclist exclusively covers the added caloric intake via imported japanese Kobe beef steak cooked on a wood grill.
  • The car was the lowest-consumption electic car they could find.

And with that setup the cyclist actually created more CO2.

The author seriously booked that as a win for the car, claiming that cycling is not always better for the environment than driving.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

Wow that feels like an exercise in the absurd

lol that’s so dumb. If you want an actually good breakdown then I’d recommend this video to share with people!

[–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 17 points 6 days ago

If this is true, then support a carbon tax without exceptions. All the extra food cyclists use will be taxed extra.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

If you drive in a 25 miles per gallon vehicle (pretty standard) you will burn the equivalent of 1100 calories per mile. Assuming an active person who rides their bike a lot eats around 2500 calories a day, and they ride to work every day, and they live 5 miles away. In the car you would burn about 11,000 calories a day, in the bike you would never burn more than 2,500 and that ignores the fact that actually most of those calories have nothing to do with the biking.

Also, one year of an average American driving (around 14,000 miles) would have the equivalent calories of giving 16,000 people a proper meal.

[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If the the Dutch are so climate couscous maybe they should invent energy-free travel

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 days ago

I've got to upvote you for "climate couscous". Sounds delicious.

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I am Dutch, have 0 cars, 2 bicycles, and I'm perfectly happy with it. I've only recently came across the first situation in which I felt like car access would be usefull.

A couple I'm friends with were pregnant and they don't have a car either, but since they wanted to be able to go to the hospital quickly and indepently, they rented a car for a week or so. This would't work for me because I don't have a drivers license. People often ask me 'but what if you need to do this or that...' and never do I feel like they're pointing towards a problem that I have. Just some minor inconvenience, if one at all. But in this case I thought, yeah if my wife were pregnant it would be damn usefull to be able to transport her by car, by myself. If it ever happens I'm sure we'll find a solution though. But I found it interesting that it was only the first situation in which it actually seemed usefull to me to have car access.

[–] HerbSolo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, if you bring up cycling, all of a sudden everybody needs to transport a fridge to another town in the rain.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 6 days ago

Skill issue.

And people need to drive in mid-town Manhattan because Wyoming ranchers exist. Carbrain is a helluva drug.

[–] withabeard@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if in a society such as yours, where this is all more common.

Could you have taxi companies that take a small fee up front to guarantee you a rapid taxi to hospital when the time comes. I'll assume ambulances are fine for accidents and emergencies. A regular taxi (and the wait) is fine for unexpected trips where you are unable to cycle for some reason.

But a reasonable fee to say, I want a "rapid" taxi for this instance.

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

I think that "reasonable fee" would be a quite high one. You're basically asking someone to be available 24/7 for a specified period of time. And besides, depending on where the person is when you call them it might actually be quicker to just call a cab.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

Guarantee that person has a BMI over 40.

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