This is a very 2balkan4you meme, but in linux form
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All that extra telemetry that you can't turn off uses a lot of resources it seems
Used to build "little old lady" computers for neighbors and such. Say someone gave me their shit PC to fix. Fine. Throw in whatever extra hardware I had, clean it up, new thermal paste and whatnot, small SSD, Linux Lite, Chrome, "Here's how you get email and internet." Never once heard from them again.
Here's the secret sauce; I never once mentioned "linux" or even began explaining what I had done. No need to talk OS, it was "windows" to them! I was there to fix computers, not evangelize.
As long as you "put the internet on the desktop", most boomers won't know the difference. I got my dad a new laptop and he asked me to "install Google maps on it". I put firefox on his desktop and changed the icon to a Microsoft Edge icon and that was easier to do than try to explain what a browser is and that he should use a different one.
My dad once had trouble with Internet explorer crashing a computer in an auto shop he was working in.
I installed chrome which worked much better but he would not stop trying to open the Internet explorer icon.
Changed the chrome icon to IE icon. Problem solved. Lol
I am unable to source the quote.
"Do you want to be correct, or do you want results?".
Yes! I've forged the icon more than once. "Just as ever, click the blue 'E'".
The RAM impact of the OS is nothing compared to that of modern apps which are all browser-based.
True, but if you are starved for ram, then minimizing the OS use gives more for the rest of the bloated apps you cannot control.
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Just use the tui-alternative (implemented in Rust, of course). /j
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The fact that one can use a wm/compositor to make the desktop lighter is sick. I was using 350MB idle with Alpine + River, it is so damn snappy.
I came to Linux for freedom and stayed for the performance.
Let me intoduce you to sub 100MB idle on OpenBSD with BSPWM (80~90MB)
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I like that this is both true and false.
The memory management of an OS is almost always entirely dependent on what it's doing or designed to do. Linux and Windows are able to do similar things, but are rarely tasked with the same workloads.
Windows desktop (aka, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, 11) are designed to be more pretty and run desktops that the user will see/interact with, etc. I will say that Microsoft knows their audience and the windows prefetch stuff is quite good, all things considered...
Windows server on the other hand.... Until recently, it still shipped with IE11 as the only browser. Of course as soon as you started it, the whole system would complain and tell you to go download edge.... Server is a beast unto itself.
Additionally, as an IT support person, I always prefer people have more RAM than they need, rather than less. Getting that figure just right is nigh impossible. And if you have the RAM, you should use it, right? Because otherwise, why would you have it? It becomes a waste of money.
Prefetch and memory caching is a good use of memory, and a big reason why Windows has very little memory actually "free" at any given time.... I'll note, I'm mentioning free memory, not available memory.
It's a fascinating topic, honestly.
With all that being said, I'm not saying that Windows is actually better in any way. My entire point is that there's merit to the different methodologies of the different operating systems. They're built differently and that is a good thing.
You do not need 3GiB of ram to look pretty though. I think Windows is just badly optimized.
Great points! Yet, Linux = greased lightning, Windows = sludge. So your great points can go suck off a polar bear.
My main issue with Linux is that it doesn't reserve any CPU time for itself. Push it to 100% usage and the mouse cursor lags all over the place. I think this a Wayland thing.
I used to have that issue on x11 but never again since switching to Wayland.
Believe it or not due to third world issues I went with all of uni and part of my graduated life (2008-2016/17) with a crappy Intel Pavilion DV2000 which had Core2Duo and 3GB on RAM. With Gentoo. It went just fine for most daily stuff and some of my work as a graphic designer.
Why use gentoo ? Was it worth it performance wise ?
No that I could tell - but mostly I switched to it because before it I used to use Ubuntu, and got fed trying to uninstall stuff I didn't actually need and it attempted to yolo a whole bunch of neccessary packages with it. It didn't had much storage either (120 GB) so that mattered a bit.
But I switched mostly because I didn't had internet at home or, when I could have it, it was completely shit: a 3G modem that went with no signal at all at any moment, not even moving it a single milimeter.
Trying to update Ubuntu offline was a huge pain in the ass: I needed to go to an internet cafe nearby, or at uni, and download the packages for the updates one by one (like, searching each one in packages.ubuntu, going to the results page, then picking the distro release, then picking architecture...), burn them to a CD or copy them to a usb stick and go back home to install them... only for it to tell me it was now needing some other bunch of packages, so rinse and repeat. I could do that even like 3 or 4 more times to update just a single frigging app - it was that or having to wait for a new Ubuntu release, and soon Canonical would end that program where they sent people an original Ubuntu CD to their address completely for free (iirc it was about 9.04/9.10 when they finished it). A couple of times I was so frustrated I carried the whole PC to a internet cafe to be able to update stuff I needed asap (new features on GIMP or Inkscape that would make my life easier).
Whereas with Gentoo it already had the --fetchonly flag, so you could just ran emerge with it and it would tell you absolutely everything you needed, so I could parse that output with sed or something to get all the package URLs and go to another computer with an internet connection and download them with some other tool, everything at once. I could then bring them home and update the thing in a single command. Of course it could take time to compile stuff but the updating process was much easier to me. So think like an IP over Avian Carriers or Sneakernet situation.
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Ugh.. do you even -O3?
Hey, a core 2 duo with 3gb of ram isn't crappy! :D
Of course not (but some would claim it is for today's standards), it's better than nothing. I'm actually thankful for the thing, took years of beating and went like a champ
I was running Plex, Jellyfin, Nginx, rtorrent with 3k torrents and few other containers and they were running on a very old machine with 4GB of RAM and only 2GB were really used.
Well sure, but did you also run a hundred unterminable processes that analyzed your behavioral patterns in real time and fed that information into a surveillance pipeline directly hooked into Microsoft data centers?
Because if not, then what are you even doing with your life?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I'm ded.
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me remembering my first computer with 4mb of ram and 250mb of hard disk space.
Mine first had 3K of RAM. An afternoon of coding would jam it out and I had to go back to remove spaces to save a byte.
`10 peek, poke, whatever
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I am honestly amazed at how efficient puppy linux is, firefox is pretty usable on a 2gb (originally) windows XP machine.
My Ubuntu install would beg to differ. It's a dog at 4gig
Well that's because you're using a bloated distro. That's the cost of all those features.
My laptop, at 1.5 gigs of RAM, is blazing fast and has a smooth UX with a Debian+i3wm install.
As in 1.5GiB available or used when idling?
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