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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 2 points 17 minutes ago

New Stan Kelly cartoon has a convenient Thiel reaction picture, should someone do a slightly better crop job:

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is sort of OT, but since we discuss race science and dogwhistles so much:

A jeans manufacturer has put out an ad featuring Sydney Sweeney and is saying “Sydney Sweeney has great jeans”. People are interpreting this as a racist dogwhistle (it is). Comedian Akilah Hughes cooked up this glorious parody to kick off a twitter thread:

https://xcancel.com/AkilahObviously/status/1950224586278154577#m

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

Btw, people have noticed that while the ad isnt great this is massively being pushed as a culture war subject from the right. To distract from all the other shit. (Gaza, the fascism, Epstein, the corruption, etc etc).

And Sydney is a massive obsession for the online far right. So best to not give them what they want.

(All this isnt helped by the media never giving agency to the right, the right gets weird about budweiser, keurig, gillette, jaguar (less so because none of them actually own luxury cars to destroy), it is treated as somewhat normal vs people going 'eurgh' over this in tweets causes a massive media shitstorm).

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 11 points 14 hours ago

A friend at a former workplace was in a discussion with that company leadership earlier this week to understand how and what metrics are to be used for promotion candidates since the office is directed to use “AI” tools for coding. Simply put: lots of entry and lower level engineers submit PRs that are co-authored by Claude so it is difficult to measure their actual software development skills to determine if they should get promoted.

That leadership had no real answers just lots of abstract garbage (vibes essentially) and followed up with telling all the entry levels to reduce the code they write and use the purchased agentic tool.

Along with this a buddy at a very famous prop shop says the firm decided to freeze all junior hiring and is leaning into only hiring senior+ and replacing juniors with AI. He asked what will happen when the current seniors leave/retire and got hit with shock that would even be considered.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

i bought some bullshit from amazon and left a ~~somewhat~~ pretty mean review because debugging it was super frustrating

the seller reached out and offered a refund, so i told them basically "no, it's ok, just address the concerns in my review. let me update my review to be less mean-spirited


i was pretty frustrated setting it up but it mostly works fine"

then they sent a message that had the "llm vibe", and the rest of the conversation went

Seller: You're right — we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses, but every message is reviewed to ensure accuracy and relevance to your concerns. We sincerely apologize if our previous replies dissatisfied you; this was our oversight.

Me: I am not simply dissatisfied. I will no longer communicate with your company and will update my review to note that you sent me synthetic text without my consent. Please do not reply to this message.

Seller: All our replies are genuine human-to-human communication with you, without using any synthetic text. It's possible our communication style gave you a different impression. We aim to better communicate with you and absolutely did not intend any offense. With every customer, we maintain a conscientious and responsible attitude in our communications.

Me: "we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses"
"without using any synthetic text"
pick one

are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Abso-fucking-lutely yes. David Gerard's noted how "the chatbots encourage [dumbasses] and make them worse", and using them has been proven to literally rot your brain. Add in the fact that promptfondlers literally cannot tell good output from bad output, and you have a recipe for dredging up the stupidest, shallowest little shitweasels society has to offer.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

the question was rhetorical, but also thank you for the links! <3

i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide "yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me". even more so when it's made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained via exploitation of the global south and massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 14 hours ago

i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide “yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me”. even more so when it’s made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained on the exploitation of the global south via massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet

And is also considered a virtual "KICK ME" sign in all but the most tech-brained parts of the 'Net.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 6 points 16 hours ago

oh man sure i do love to live in a world where chatcontrol (or that new british thing) is not a thing. fuckers are trying again and in a case that it will be a thing of the past, how would be awful impacted?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

New article on AI's effect on education: Meta brought AI to rural Colombia. Now students are failing exams

(Shocking, the machine made to ruin humanity is ruining humanity)

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

A spokesperson from Colombia’s Ministry of Education told Rest of World that [...] in high school, chatbots can be useful “as long as critical reflection is promoted.”

so, never

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Cocaine is good, actually, if used in moderation

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 5 points 15 hours ago

synthetic dumbass fans five minutes deep into prompting:

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I saw this today so now you must too:

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely pathetic that he went out of his way to use a slur yet felt the need to censor it. What a worm.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 10 hours ago

Sniveling H—lerite bag of tepid farts.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know how to parse this and choose not to learn

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 22 hours ago

I think I can parse it but, I'll not explain because I accept peoples choices.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 22 hours ago

This reads like something that'd be considered too offensive for South Park (mildly ironic, considering an entire episode infamously milked hard-R's for all they're worth)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Margaret Ann Boden a Research Professor of Cognitive Science in the Department of Informatics at the University of Sussex recently passed away. Which made people link to her old talk 'Professor Margaret Boden - Human-level AI: Is it Looming or Illusory?' on youtube. Might be interesting to people here. (Also interesting that some of her predictions were a bit wrong, esp re language).

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ugh and the disease is spreading

I guess they couldn’t find enough marks ^W “investors” in the US

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I think Norway's fossil fuels probably play a role too. They produce around 2 million barrels of oil a day, with a population of 5.5 million people. The US produces 13 million barrels a day with a population of 340 million. Tons of natural gas too.

Edit: Nevermind Norway uses hydroelectric for like 95% of their electricity. Maybe power is just cheap there

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 21 hours ago

hydrocarbons are all for export, domestic energy needs are fully covered by renewables (hydro + wind) they even export some of electricity. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/NO-NO2/72h/hourly norway tho is a questionable place for a dc on account of ungodly labor costs

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

the Nazi bar distributing leaflets about indie Nazi feature nights is Concerned about this “accidental” distribution coming from their own printers and being handled by their own towncriers

(the context, in case you haven’t seen it)

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here's LWer "johnswentworth", who has more than 57k karma on the site and can be characterized as a big cheese:

My Empathy Is Rarely Kind

I usually relate to other people via something like suspension of disbelief. Like, they’re a human, same as me, they presumably have thoughts and feelings and the like, but I compartmentalize that fact. I think of them kind of like cute cats. Because if I stop compartmentalizing, if I start to put myself in their shoes and imagine what they’re facing… then I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both).

"why do people keep saying we sound like fascists? I don't get it!"

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago

"I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both)." - Me, when I encounter someone with 57K LW karma

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago

I guarantee that this guy thinks he could fight a bear.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

My 'I actually do not have empathy' shirt is ...

E: late edit, shoutout two whomever on sneerclub called lw/themotte an empathy removal training center. That one really stuck with me.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

the kind of people who think “look, no one said they don’t have empathy. they have empathy. I’ve seen it. it’s at their house tied up in the basement. apparently they have some kind of thing going on” is a normal line

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Empathy is when you're disgusted by people you think are below you, right???

[–] maol@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Here's what I don't understand. They are in their mid-thirties and have like 5 kids. My grandfather was 1 of 7, and my stepfather was 1 of 9. This wasn't very unusual for catholic families a couple generations ago. The Amish/Mennonites and Mormons are still doing it. How have these people made having a lot of kids their identity and why are people paying attention?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 18 points 1 day ago

they're a Thiel op

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Rightwing welfare.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This isn't a kink for many reasons but at a basic level these people cannot seperate raw irrational desire/axiomatic beliefs from rational thought and ethics, thus these people cannot establish a bubble of consent to engage in kinks within.

No, these people are the farthest thing possible from someone with a kink who has a mature relationship around it (see as positive examples most bdsm communities and how sophisticated and nuanced their discussions are around agency and how to ensure it for others).

I know you probably agree with the spirit of this and I am not trying to nitpick you here, I just think it is important to reiterate what "kink" means, continously reclaim the word and not fall into patterns where we confuse two VERY different things.

These people are awful people, they do not deserve the title of "kink couple" lol.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Non-consensual expressions of non-conventional sexuality are kink, and non-consensuality itself (along with regret, dubious consent, forced consent, and violations of consent) are kink too. Moreover, "kink" is not a word that needs reclaiming and wasn't used here as a slur.

If we are going to confront the full spectrum of Christofascism, we do need to consider not only their sex-negativity but also their particular kinks, including breeding, non-con, and non-con breeding, so that we can understand how those kinks interact with and propagate their religious beliefs. Also, sexology semantics for "kink" and "breeding kink" might not be as word-at-a-time as you suggest, akin to how the couple we're discussing probably wouldn't mind the words "press tour" or "mating" used to describe them but might balk at "mating press tour."

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

mating press

Dunno if this term has ever come across their desk before, boss

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 2 points 15 hours ago

That's what I'm gonna call those weird hip thruster moves people do in the squat rack

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