I mean, there is almost certainly no "The List", "2003-02-23: Donald John Trump, 3 pedophilia, paid by bank transfer".
There are terabytes of call logs, text messages, videos, photos, location logs, witness testimonies, whatever samples, and fuck knows what else.
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Stephen King is absolutely the next person I think is going to have some heinous shit come out about him, like happened with Gaiman. Too many years writing in a cocaine haze, on record defenses of Woody Allen marrying the step daughter he raised, the whole thing with the ending of IT.
Not commenting on the Epstein List, tbh it's political football and I don't know if we'll ever have anything confirmed until well after anyone who could be impacted by it is gone. King's just one of those people who if you look close enough there's reasons to be suspicious, but who is such an industry giant that I think no one wants to say anything.
Of all the things to publicly tell on yourself with. Damn man.
It's definitely real, even if it is just the list of 150 Epstein associates that were unsealed years ago. If there was anything more, it ceased to exist during the first Trump administration.
Nobody is going to release a real list because it will exclusively hurt the rich and powerful.
Trump Part 1 didn't, Biden didn't, Trump won't do it now.
There definitely is a list. Probably not a spreadsheet or a black book, but you have to make schedules and appointments work. Double booking diddlers is bad business. There are records.
What has been established by the media is that there is a list (whether true or not) and being on that list is damning. Unfortunately we're at a point where if a list is released, anyone with a brain would have to doubt it as being nothing more than a political tool, and anyone without a brain will immediately try to crucify anyone on it.
All the back and forth and hemming and hawing buys time to figure out who to put on the list. Get all the Democrat names you like, but finding enough Republicans to put on the list, but not anyone who'll rat (preferably dead) is the tricky part. Gotta make it halfway believable.
It's sad that instead of bringing the worst people in our society to justice, this will either be swept under the rug or set fire to the Reichstag.
We believe the rumored client list is real now? Case documents for Giuffre v. Dershowitz have already been unsealed & released. I thought everyone was calling claims of secret, unreleased documents a right-wing conspiracy theory a few months ago. It's really hard to follow what we're supposed to think here. What's going on?
There probably isn't a full-on list that just lays out who was all involved, line-by-line; but to believe that there is no information and no names to be revealed is to believe that Epstein was arrested and Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for the crime of trafficking no one, to no one, to engage in no acts.
is to believe that Epstein was arrested and Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for the crime of trafficking no one, to no one, to engage in no acts
I think the released documents disclose a bit more than "no one, to no one" engaging "in no acts".
I recall speculative, right-wing theories taking off during the Biden administration, MAGA fanning the flames to stir political followers to vote, and the case documents released before Trump was sworn in. It's curious that the left who were ridiculing MAGA over this type of "deep state" rhetoric seem to be embracing it or crowding out the more critical voices.
I'd like to remind this thread not to jump to conclusions. It's not exactly unheard of for a notorious coke addict to be confidently wrong about something. I'll believe he's a sicko when I see his name on the list and not a second sooner.
Edit: Am I really being downvoted for not immediately joining a mob and instead waiting for proof? "We did it ~~reddit~~ lemmy!"
I have a suggestion: Just assume every billionaire diddles kids anyway.
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Stephen King is on the list.
I think that's the only reason for this change in tune from the guy.
IMO, it's blatant and transparent.
I think this is pretty unlikely, but will apologize if im wrong. My logic is that Trump already hates King and has openly feuded with him. Since there haven't been any criminal cases yet, it seems that whatever evidence is in the files wasn't enough for DOJ to feel like they could win a conviction, but because Trump is a petulant dumb fuck I expect he would have made Bondi bring charges for even the most tenous circumstantial evidence if it was against someone he doesn't like. But then again Trump may think the files give him leverage over anyone even barely mentioned in the files and not want to lose that leverage, so I could be absolutely wrong.
This isn't surprising really, especially after the Neil Gaiman thing, but it is disappointing.
??? Oh no what Gaiman thing?
Aww man. I hate being the bearer of bad news. Turns out Neil isn't quite the feminist he pretended to be. :(
Allegations of sexual assault and rape.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/gaiman-sexual-assault-allegations-1.7431274
I knew he wasn't an angel but damn. Oh well.
I mean, he wrote IT so idk if this would surprise anyone lol
You telling me there's a chance that a writer, known for snorting enough cocaine to kill an elephant whilst writing a story where a group of boys run a train on a young girl, might have visited an island known for its drugs and sex trafficking young girls?
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Wow, the replies on some of King's tweets are really telling....
No chance that chode isn't a trump supporter.
E: also, I didn't realize just how many of King's books involve child abuse... I knew about the obvious ones, but goddamn...
That's interesting. I read most of his books and I really can't recall anything in that regard. Between he's famous for being a horror author although he wrote a few non-fiction books. The human psyche and inner monologues of the character along with descriptions of villains and why they became the monsters they are, are recurring topics in his books. Might it be that this is the reason why they involve child abuse? Remember Dutroix? He was abused as child.
Anyways I can't really recall any scenes in his books where he delved more into that topic than appropriate.
Edit: I'm trying not to have idols or parasocial relations and it's been years since I read the last SK book. So my memory may be clouded a bit. Other than the scene from "The Jaunt" (which I haven't read), I haven't found anything after a quick search. If it turns out he's a pedo I won't defend him. But regarding from what I know about him as person from the biographical texts, and stuff he wrote on social media and how meticulously he deconstructed evil personalities in his books, I can't imagine this being anymore than a witchhunt.
The "orgy" mentioned is almost certainly the gross group kid sex thing from IT. How do you defeat the evil clown demon, kid orgies apparently :(
Yeah I read "It" of course. But I was 16 or so. I often heard about the orgy but I really can't recall it. Maybe it was censored in the localized book or I did not perceive it as that bad as people make it. AFAIK it was after they defeated the spider being in the sewers. King still did substance abuse when he wrote It and surrounding this debacle I often see people accusing him of still doing it though he is clean and dry for decades now.
Yes the scene may have been inappropriate but it certainly wasn't meant to be pedophilia:
"In 2013, Stephen King (through his office manager Marsha DeFillipo) shared on the message board of his official site what the controversial scene in the sewers represents, and begins by explaining that, at the time, he wasn’t thinking of the sexual aspect of it. Instead, he wrote it as the connecting link between childhood and adulthood, as the Losers Club knew they had to be together again, and described it as “another version of the glass tunnel that connects the children’s library and the adult library.” King added that he's aware that, with time, there has been more sensitivity and attention to issues like the underage sex depicted in IT's sewer scene."
https://screenrant.com/stephen-king-it-beverly-sewer-scene-meaning-explained/
What I find way more disgusting is the lynchmob behaviour of people in this thread who never read anything from King and don't know him in general and them even accusing other users of being pedophiles.
I am well aware of his official explanation, but I personally think that's bullshit. For the record, I am not in any way calling him a pedophile. His books just have a lot of fucked up shit in them, and this is one of them. I read IT when I was 13 and I kinda glossed over that part as well. When I re-read IT as an adult, I was like "holy shit". I realize this was written during his coked up days, but that doesn't make it OK to me. You are free to feel differently.
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It's nice of the people on the list to out themselves. At this rate we can just compile it ourselves.
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