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Happy 4th! Remember who to actually to blame for the death camps :3 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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It was not Trump voters who earned us our future, but the billionaires who made the Democrats so shit that fascism seemed like a good idea. The rich have all the power, and thus, all of the responsibility.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It was not Trump voters who earned us our future, but the billionaires who made the Democrats so shit that fascism seemed like a good idea.

Jesus fucking Chirst.

Not only are we at the point of absolving nonvoters, now we're absolving literal fascist voters, in exchange for blaming the Dems.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

My favorite new conspiracy theory is that everyone promoting the "don't vote if you don't fully support them" people are all plants and fakers (with some genuine morons strewn in)

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Unfortunately, I find that even less believable than most conspiracy theories.

People are genuine idiots.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you are seeing what is happening right now and still the the democrats would have been as bad I don't even know what to say.

I wish everyday Harris was in the office or at least a Biden second term.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where did they say they were the same? Pretty sure they said those companies are why the Democrats are the way they are, which is true, they're why they suck at messaging, why they dont embrace the popular policies that won Mamdani his primary and instead demonize him. They line Democrat pockets with the caveat they don't do or say anything that would jepoardize profits. They line Republican pockets too, but for different reasons.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

, why they dont embrace the popular policies that won Mamdani his primary

Mamdani is running for mayor of NYC. Urban areas are overwhelmingly more left-leaning.

The national party apparatus should embrace more left policies, but pretending that Mamdani is a blueprint for a national campaign is not realistic.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah. We should keep running more milk toast politicians with vague policies like "affordability" or "abundance" (I think that's their new term for more neoliberalism now) that'll show em!

Dude, free busses, rent control, and public grocery stores are not some "far left" policy. They are standard in much of the world.

The Democratic party is the failure that it is today BECAUSE they tried to convince you that democratic socialist policies would not win. They do. Fucking Kentucky has a publicity owned and operated Internet provider. There is nothing radical or far left about Mamdani's policy plans.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah. We should keep running more milk toast politicians with vague policies like “affordability” or “abundance” (I think that’s their new term for more neoliberalism now) that’ll show em!

Fuck no. I'm a Bernie supporter, man. I'm probably further left than Bernie, depending on how you want to count it. That's not the same as saying "A politician in a left-leaning area of the country that has been able to run on a left-wing platform, so far successfully, is a blueprint for the entire, much further-right-leaning country's national strategy."

Going to the right isn't the answer. Staying the course isn't the answer. Going left is the answer. But that's not the same as saying that New York City is just a microcosm of American national politics.

Tell me this - if Mamdani loses in the general - genuinely, god forbid - because there's still significant support for his right-wing ghoul opponents, would this change your mind, or would you just double down and say that Mamdani hadn't gone left enough to win?

Dude, free busses, rent control, and public grocery stores are not some “far left” policy.

In the US they are, unfortunately.

The Democratic party is the failure that it is today BECAUSE they tried to convince you that democratic socialist policies would not win. They do.

You're absolutely right, that's why progressive candidates have been sweeping elections for the past 40 years. We're all just trapped in a nightmare machine that makes us think elections have turned out otherwise.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

If Mamdani loses the general that should be a wake up call to Americans that even the illusion of their democracy is dead. The man behind the curtain isn't even hiding anymore.

Meaning, if Mamdani loses it is only because the full forces of the capitalist class from both of their parties were able win.

You seem to think that there is some major difference between New York and some southern town in Georgia for example. And to many degrees there are. But it's not because the people have fundamentally different wants and goals. The people throughout this country want a good job, a place to live, healthcare, and an end to wars of the empire. The major difference between them is how their concent is manufactured.

The difference isn't in policy or even in politics. The difference is in the ability to break through the existing lies they are distracted by. Racism, xenophobia, queerphobia, etc.

Most working class people in America will be open to progressive policies when they see them actually implemented successfully in major blue cities.

I'm not saying to run as a socialist in Savannah, GA. I'm saying that we do not give away ground. We continue to push for further leftists politicians like Mamdani where we can win. And that will literally shift the entire nations politics.

These are the only wins we can hope for in electoral politics right now. Because by the time we're voting for another president it's going to be to late. The fascist state will have been fully established.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So doubling down.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean if you're gonna reply with such little substance just don't reply at all mate.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

It was the tRump voters actually, and the Republican apparatus, and complicit media outlets like Fox news all doing their part along with the pathologically rich who manipulate both parties through lobbying and threats to ensure their collective benefit. The Dems are extremely disappointing, but the parties are not the same.

You were SO close but still couldn't help but reflexively flash your partisanship as you flaccidly gesture at the actual problem. Fucking figure it out.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

I never said the parties were the same, yet that's the only way you can interpret my point. The Democratic leadership will never change, so one way or another, they must be removed from their position in politics. If we fail to do that, fascism or feudal stoked civil war will occur ad infinitum. However, you seem to interpret me as some apathy inspiring anti-voter, because that's so much easier for your intellectually lazy ass to handle.

It must be so convenient to never adjust your views, even when reality proves them wrong. I've changed my opinions given evidence to the contrary; could you ever do the same?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes. Remember who to blame- the 90M people who abstained from the election.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

I do, man. I do.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Sorry, but if you blame the people we need to help and work with, things will never get better. Blaming an electorally apathetic working class convinced that the system is corrupt is wasted energy. The rich capitalists standing in the way of popular left wing policies are why people didn't think they needed to vote. The system was too corrupt to think it was worth upholding, even if things are far worse now as a result.

I don't blame people for thinking electoralism didn't matter or didn't help, because the system gave them every reason to think that.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Sorry, but if you blame the people we need to help and work with, things will never get better.

You're absolutely right, let's absolve fascist voters for voting for fascism. They were just ~~economically anxious~~ 'disillusioned'.

Blaming an electorally apathetic working class convinced that the system is corrupt is wasted energy.

"Blaming people for voting for fascists is wasted energy"

Of course. People are never responsible for their own votes. The People(tm) are always ontologically good, unlike the closed caste of Capitalist Lizardmen Elites.

The rich capitalists standing in the way of popular left wing policies are why people didn’t think they needed to vote.

Oh, right, the rich capitalists vetoed the popular left wing policies that the people turned out to support in their parties.

What's that? No? This bullshit is a result of the votes of the electorate and not a shadow cabal of capitalist puppetmasters?

The system was too corrupt to think it was worth upholding, even if things are far worse now as a result.

I'm so glad accelerationism is all the rage now.

I don’t blame people for thinking electoralism didn’t matter or didn’t help, because the system gave them every reason to think that.

Is this the same system that has seen massive changes in accordance with changing popular opinion in the past 30 years alone, including massive gains for LGBT rights?

[–] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Nah those people fucked us over. The fuckers who abstained, the fascist fuckers, the rich fuckers. They all are pieces of shit. Respectfully.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Did they fuck us over when they could've prevented this? Yes. Does being mad at them help? No.

Being mad at the rich is helpful, but being mad at voters and potential voters is less so. I guess I forget how hard it is for most people to let go of unnecessary blame. Sorry

[–] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 1 points 7 hours ago

Unnecessary? They either chose not to prevent people from being killed or chose to have them killed. Trying to cosy up to those people will get me killed. Rather ignorant take.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

swastika car?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 18 hours ago

You forgot Elon's bullshit.

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

It's like a reverse independence day this year... the non-US world declares its independence from the US. But maybe next year, or hopefully in a very short amount of years, the US can celebrate its independence or liberation from fascism at least, maybe also from neo-liberalism. But first, fascism is hitting your with full deadly and extralegal force.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You left off the most culpable - centralized social media companies

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I got Google; wasn't trying to be specific

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Specificity is important here. You included Google but not Meta, Xitter, or Tesla?

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

I included a few of the biggest capitalist organizations, not simply people manipulating mass media. Our fascist reality is not simply the result of people embracing bad ideas, but the conditions that drove people to believe them.

People saw an economy that wasn't working for them combined with a party that favored the status quo more than the voices of their voters. Democrats being in the pockets of old billionaires prevented them taking popular positions and making politically wise decisions. Decades of neoliberal policies created economic stress that made populism the only winning strategy, and the Democrats never adapted.

I've talked to young people who voted Trump, and it was clear to me that there was more than propaganda responsible for the Dems losing their grip. Depressing activists, even the ones who loyally vote, did a great deal to kill support from groups that were the backbone of your party. They had no pro-Democrat narratives, only anti-republican ones, and that wasn't enough.