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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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Found this article on the front page of r/nyc

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Some people who know cremie are dropping some more lore on him. He apparently has a bit of a problem re lying about credentials and grades : https://bsky.app/profile/larkshead.bsky.social/post/3ljkqiag3u22z

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 2 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

Taking bets on no correction from the NYT calling him an "academic".

Aside: the willingness of news, politicians, and the general public to listen to non-peer reviewed nonsense from (often) anonymous "scientists" is an awful trend. Besides this smear campaign it's also come up in anti-vax nonsense, election fraud conspiracies, and "reports" against transgender healthcare. It's like everyone still knows science is cool beans, but forgot what science is in the first place.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago

https://bsky.app/profile/chemprofcramer.bsky.social/post/3lt5h24hfnc2m

I got caught up in this mess because I was VPR at Minnesota in 2019 and the first author on the paper (Jordan Lasker) lists a Minnesota affiliation. Of course, the hot emails went to the President's office, and she tasked me with figuring out what the hell was going on. Happily, neither Minnesota nor its IRB had "formally" been involved. I regularly sent the attached reply, which seemed to satisfy folks. But you come to realize, as VPR, just how little control you actually have if a researcher in your massive institution really wants to go rogue... 😰

Dear [redacted],

Thank you for writing to President Gabel to share your concern with respect to an article published in Psych in 2019 purporting to have an author from the University of Minnesota. The President has asked me to respond on her behalf.

In 2018, our department of Economics requested a non-employee status for Jordan Lasker while he was working with a faculty member of that department as a data consultant. Such status permitted him a working umn.edu email address. He appears to have used that email address to claim an affiliation with the University of Minnesota that was neither warranted nor known to us prior to the publication of the article in question. Upon discovery of the article in late 2019, we immediately verified that his access had been terminated and we moreover transmitted to him that we was not to falsely claim University of Minnesota affiliation in the future. We have had no contact with him since then. He has continued to publish similarly execrable articles, sadly, but he now lists himself as an “independent researcher”.

Best regards,

Chris Cramer

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Knowing he's a failson who's alienated everyone in his family makes me very happy.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 7 hours ago

He might have also lost a lot of money in betting markets re the nyc primary and his attempt at market manipulation us leading to more exposure of the guy. A very foot shooting moment.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 12 hours ago

Another NYT Opinion writer, Jamelle Bouie, had criticized the article before being forced to delete his posts: https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3lt44uitxc22x

The deleted posts in questions: https://bsky.app/profile/karmamylanta.bsky.social/post/3lt4dqeigfs2m

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

NYTimes has posted on Twitter about the feedback* (copypasted to bluesky via screenshots lacking subtitles lol). But don't bother reading it because it says absolutely nothing.

* Their word. I'm not sure I'd call this "feedback" so much as everyone talking about how irredeemably terrible they are.

https://xcancel.com/patrickhealynyt/status/1941262786006483418#m

https://bsky.app/profile/nytimespr.bsky.social/post/3lt6cza4vr22d

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently the NYT hit-piece's author, Benjamin Ryan, is a subscriber to Jordan Lasker's (Cremieux's) substack.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 7 points 10 hours ago

I looked at his substack and he also writes a bunch of super skeevy transphobic concern trolling. Not a nice person all around.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 28 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Nitpicking, but at what point do we start calling it race pseudoscience? Letting the creeps have even a tiny bit of legitimacy is too much, especially as mainstream outfits are working overtime to legitimize them.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

but at what point do we start calling it race pseudoscience

I think the word you're looking for is "racism"

[–] enthusiasticamoeba@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

What? These are pretty clearly two different concepts. Race pseudoscience is racist, but not all racism is racial pseudoscience. There is no need to water down definitions.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 20 points 21 hours ago

I feel like calling it race pseudoscience inadvertently suggests the existence of legitimate race science.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 20 hours ago

Nitpicking, but at what point do we start calling it race pseudoscience?

"Hating Black People" would be a more fitting name.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 22 points 22 hours ago
[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 14 points 20 hours ago

Why so scared media? Lmao

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 23 hours ago