omg guys calm down holy fuck. I swear to God progressive and leftists are the masters of infighting, I wish we could not squabble like this. whatever anyone is doing is good, I know it comes from a good place but we've got to stop all this incessant bitter. people on the right go along with whatever batshit insane plan their chosen lunatics shovel out, while we debate about semantics and methods lmao
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The civil war that follows isn't even the difficult part.
The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that's gonna be difficult. If americans couldn't agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?
Ideally, the Civil War takes care of the people who have been making a game of blocking the obvious, realizable solutions to nearly all of the US’s problems.
I just want to mention that there's a series of difficulties:
- practically, a good 20% - 30% are still backing trump, especially among "republicans for life". It would be easy to topple a government if 99% of the population despised it, but if 20% back it, it's difficult because it can retract and re-collect strength.
- normally, conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer, i.e. who has more money. normally, that would be blue states, but if trump can just print money through the federal reserve, then that kinda makes that point more questionable. blue states kinda would have to start using their own currency, or some foreign currency like the canadian dollar or the mexican pesos, to be fiscally independent from washington. that's a logistic challenge to pull off so quickly. but it can be done.
- then there's a shitload of cultural issues. the vietnam kicked the american's butt because they were fierce and willing to die for their cause, because they were willing to die for their community. america doesn't have communities like that, america is very atomistic, i.e. everybody fights for themselves. establishing a good sense of community is a whole lot of work and takes a long time. i don't see it happening overnight.
"today we declare independence from the USA" was a particularly nice headline from the guardian
Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?
The biggest problem is, that this isn't a government issue. A lot of people still stand behind that government so overthrowing the government would likely lead to a civil war.
Unfortunately probably not in this day and age. Cutting-edge identification AI and drone tech, and of course weaponry, will be used against the civilian population. It has all been subverted to oppress us and control us.
No it's communism
The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members
The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he's stacked the military with loyalists. But also what you said.
I mean this is actually what the second amendment was for, it would be nice if the NRA said something.
If you go left enough you get your guns back.
He stacked military leadership with loyalists. It's still each and every individual soldiers responsibility to determine for themselves whether they will follow an order if they believe it to be unjust. Many in the military are Maga, but there will be many that would refuse such orders as well... Basically, I'm just trying to say the military isn't a hivemind. If orders came down to attack us citizens, I'd hope there'd be significant pushback throughout the ranks.
Refuse an order, get court martialled despite all your rights, get dishobourably discharged and lose your livelihood, all for some people you dont know, and greatly negatively affect the lives of those you provide for.
Be careful though, emergency dissolution of the Senate is exactly how Palpatine gained power. There has to be a careful plan and new system ready to go and not just fall to the one person it shouldn't.
I know it's fiction, but just saying. Dissolving it is one thing, but having a coherent plan is another.
Its not even fiction. Palpatine's rise to power is based on actual history. Both the Roman Empire and WW2 Germany had that happen.
I mean true. At least Germany and Romans didn't have JarJar.