Mainstream TV news is such shallow bullshit. They'll talk about the polling shifts like it's the score in a game, but they will never analyze why Democrats have swung so hard against Israel. No mention whatsoever of anything in material reality here. Just purely numbers in a vacuum.
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It's because their purpose isn't to inform, it is to spread hate. Data points are used not as a means of understanding, but of spreading fear and hatred. They do the same thing with Bad Guy Countries as well. They'll ignore reality and statistics when it suits them, only making reference to them when they can take a data point out of context to make their enemies look bad. (and in this case, the MSM is the enemy of the working class, so they'll try and make them look bad).
Makes the Harris campaign pretty funny to think back on. Gee I wonder why she lost
I remember arguing with someone who was adamant that clearly she wasn't mentioning it or letting any Palestinians in the DNC because there weren't that many pro-Palestine people in the Democratic party, despite me referencing polls and such. That she is probably better about it than Biden, but she has to hide that to get the votes to win the election, otherwise Trump will no doubt be worse. Even after the election, they thought Harris would have lost even worse if she brought it up.
It's good to have another source, although I'll have to be smooth about rubbing it in their face, because I'm not out here trying to lose friendships lol.
To this day I can’t believe they actually censored Walz’s “the expansion of Israel and its proxies are a fundamental necessity for the United States” quote from the VP debate off the internet
And all the blue MAGA just pretend it never happened
I don't even remember that speech. Probably for the reason you mentioned. Can it be found anywhere?
oh my god what a dad energy, big heckin wholesomerino
This isn’t surprising to me. Outside of Christian Zionists and Jewish supremacists “support” for Israel was always extremely shallow. The American public largely supported Israel due to some vague understanding that they were our “ally”, and most had absolutely no idea of the Palestinian struggle at all. The ongoing genocide has been so evil that all these people with very unexamined, light support for Israel have been like “wait wtf”, and have switched positions as they have learned a bit more about the situation.
their understanding was shallow because everyone kind of implicitly knew the issue was a landmine and just generally avoided looking deeper into it. It was very clear that your career would be absolutely destroyed if you ever voiced any support for Palestine whatsoever, so people just generally avoided touching the hot wire.
The Israelis were happy to stoke the "it's an ancient conflict - so complicated" narrative that people used as an excuse to ignore it
Yeeaaaah, this was me, up until around 2023. I totally ate up the "it's complicated", "ancient religious conflict", "they've been fighting forever" bullshit. Now I'm one of those annoying people who talks about Israel and Palestine to my partner every chance I get. You can tell it still makes people uncomfortable to talk about, probably because some actually think it's antisemitic to talk about, but way more people nod and agree with me then before. Even people my parents age, you know the low-key Islamaphobic af libs type, are saying, "I don't know why we're so ride or die for Israel. What do they do for us?" when I bring some up insane act they did or war they randomly stated.
I might even test this change of opinion by mentioning anti-Israel stuff in my most moderate-lib-filled group chats that I dare didn't bring it up before and see what happens.
democrats finally remembering to oppose genocide now that the dang cheeto is doing it
A certain breed of pollster is shocked by the idea that events, policy, and advocacy can actually change people’s views. That having a vision for the future, for something better, can actually shift opinions.
mfw the environment in which I live in can simultaneously change and be changed by me
Imagine the number of issues that are like this. That it would be possible to flip the reactionary public into a progressive fervor in under a decade.
we saw it with gay marriage and acceptance of homosexuality, although that's already being eroded it still was a massive leap forward that the entire public made from being complete homophobes into being more "orientation blind"
They're acting all surprised by this, as if people haven't been loudly criticizing this genocide since it started.
The thing is that they wouldn't hear:
Most mature Amerikkkan politicians
This is 100% the reason they keep trying to ban TikTok
Holy toledo
But this is more shocking to me, the OLDER Dems are with the younger dems on disliking Israel, and only the older Republicans are still under 50% dislike
Completely anecdotal, but even my lib mid 70s parents explicitly do not like israel. Of course they dont like "HAMAS" either, but they put the blame of all of this on Israel. And these are old former "independent" voters lol
Yeah that’s the big difference this time, people aren’t buying the “blame it all on the Palestinians” excuses from Zionists.
The more exposure Zionists get, the more normal people dislike them. Israel was much better off taking the free weapons in silence. Now everything is about them, and everyone is being called antisemitic. The gentiles are tired!
Their previous assaults on Gaza lasted only a few weeks, and once they started getting heat for it and enough eyes were on them, they cut that shit out. Then went back to their low-intensity genocide that could be easily ignored by the world.
Now that the Kahanists are in the Knesset they can no longer resist their bloodlust. Nobody on planet Earth (barring uncontacted Amazon tribes or whatever) is currently unaware of what's been happening in Gaza for the last 1.5 years.
normies are taking the intellectually lazy and safe position of "I don't like Hamas or Israel, they should have peace already" and being called anti-semites for it. No better way to alienate them and force them into the pro-Palestine camp than the vicious demands for complete loyalty the zionists enforce.
I know a lot of people who vote Republican. None of them under 45 support Israel. Older than that, it’s all racists and Christian Zionists.
For even the most cynical treatlerites, it really does just boil down to "what have you done for ME lately?" From a naive perspective, Israel is nothing but a liability. From a critical perspective, Israel is nothing but a liability. To the institutionalist, "rule of law" liberals, Israel is nothing but a liability. To the "America First" nationalists, Israel is nothing but a liability. The only people who see merit in the cause of Israel are total cranks and zealots who truly believe the US or Israel (depending on who you ask) are ordained by God (and their secular cousins, the Atlanticists - the fundamentalists of American civic religion), who look forward to dying in a nuclear inferno on that hill. There are a lot of them though.
Those Christian Zionists all have a persecution fetish. They think they're being persecuted as they're actively building concentration camps for their enemies.
I say we give them what they want so badly. Let's give them the persecution they so desperately want. Let's start feeding Christians to lions again.
Funny enough, lots of stories of persecution - like being fed to lions - were totally made up by Christians. Their persecution complex goes back centuries.
LSFCTLA would look pretty sick on a hat or t-shirt.
Turns out genocide is pretty unpopular, maybe the democrats should take that in mind when making policies
Democrats make policies?
Because their tax money is going to a fucking genocide you war hungry buzzard.