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submitted 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) by NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org to c/dankmemes@lemmy.world
 
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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This conflict will never end as long as people keep listening to their imaginary friends over the reality in front of them. And each atrocity on both sides simply guarantees the fighting will last for ages longer.

[–] Grail@aussie.zone 2 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

The belief in an objective reality is precisely what motivated the crusades, the nakba, and most other genocides. They believed in reality, and they believed their experience of the divine was objectively true for all others. Thus, that their actions were justified.

Peace will only happen when we admit that our perceptions aren't objective. The gods who talk to us in our sleep exist because we believe in them, not because of an external reality. There's no such thing, and admitting subjectivity is the only way to accept differences and make peace.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

Now, that's a different angle on viewing these things. Or at least I've never heard it phrased that way. Interesting. Thanks for the insight!

[–] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 hours ago
[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 hours ago

Pretty sure it's the rich and powerful who expect to become more rich and more powerful when there is war in the Middle East that bring about war in the Middle East.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 hours ago

Oil makes war in the middle east.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 44 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

What happens if the War in the Middle East ever stops generating obscene profits?

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

World ~~piece~~ peace tour!

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

An actual historian can chime in if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history. So the answer to your question is likely "still war".

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Middle eastern history nerd here!

https://youtu.be/1vaIK8wlAl0

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure the middle east has had some sort of internal or external conflict going on for all of history

Prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Middle East enjoyed centuries of peace and prosperity. From the 13th to 20th centuries, you were far safer in Damascus or Baghdad or Tehran than Paris or Berlin or Rome. Europe was in a continuous state of civil conflict during this period.

The Middle Eastern states were a popular refuge for European civilians fleeing the 30-Years-War, the Napoleonic Wars, the various wars of consolidation and independence following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the World Wars. Countries from Morocco to Iran were all common destinations thanks to their unaligned status and divorce from the conflicts in Europe. More common even than the Americas. In fact, a big early appeal of the Palestinian Mandate was that it allowed Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike to escape the pogroms north of the Mediterranean.

In the early years, at the start of the Cold War, a number of the former European colonies broke away from their now-destitute colonial masters. This lead to brief civil struggles, largely centered around the capitals where all those European WW1/2 refugees had piled in. But by and large, the democratization of the Middle East was far more peaceful than the democraticization of Europe.

It wasn't until the 1950s, when spy games between the US and the USSR began to topple unaligned governments, that war in the Middle East became commonplace. But what we're seeing today is a novelty of the 20th/21st century. You're ignoring centuries of peaceful coexistence and fixating on a few ancient (Crusades) and a few very recent (Soviet/Post-Soviet) violent flare ups.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So I checked Wikipedia, and the list of conflicts in the middle east in the years between 1300 to 1800 is far from empty. I know it's easier to blame everything on the US, but you are ignoring dozens of different conflicts that occurred during that span of years.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

So I checked Wikipedia

Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US

Trying to explain to the judge that blaming Jeffrey Dahmer for all those bodies in the fridge is the easy answer and the jury needs to approach things more critically.

I mean, if it makes you feel any better, the blame falls off the US once you spin the clock back before McKinley. The societal collapse during the 17th and 18th centuries are largely a consequence of imperial policies of England, France, and Spain.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

Why would I do that? It would have nothing to do with anything I said.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 6 hours ago

War... War in the Middle East never changes.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago

Damn that's even better.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like men are the problem.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

That and times

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I mean have you met men? It's starting to come together in my mind that because of the societal pressure to prevent us from expressing feelings in a healthy manner this is ALL a direct result of it.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'm a man. Bring on the matriarchy! So long as the matriarchy isn't a bunch of Thatchers!

Edit: oh, hey, cake!

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 8 hours ago

"...it's been burning since the world's been turning..."

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 6 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

What if we all converted to the same religion, mine?

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But i like my holy spaghettimonster. It looks tasty and in the afterworld is a beervolcano (where some of believers agree that it gives any drink poeple like)

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Too bad, we worship capybaras now and only do what they tell us to do. Now get in the bath and put an orange on your head!

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I accept the friend shaped ones as holy/gods/masters 🍊

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

The Rules of Acquisition? I hate to tell you, but that's kinda what got us into this mess.

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago

I'm pretty much already part of your religion I just disagree with you on one very minor detail. We are now mortal enemies.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago

I am interested!

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times.”

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak man create hard men

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 hours ago

Hard times create strong men, strong men create hard times

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone has their war in the Middle East except the weak men who put it on the Middle East for some reason

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago

for some reason

Because it's true. Strong men don't fight themselves.