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[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 minutes ago

I was handed a water bottle the.other day at a volunteer event and was lamenting the fact that in the US, we don't have attached caps. I almost immediately lost mine. It's possible to make them attached, AND not suck.

[–] Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

Real ones get their micro plastics by chewing on used car tires.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 53 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

PET bottle recycling is the only part of plastics recycling that actually works. Making sure the bottle caps are also correctly returned to recycling plants is a good goal. Also it makes picking up litter a little easier, because now you only need to pick up one thing instead of two.

Btw, this is why clothing/bags/... made out of recycled plastic bottles is actually a terrible idea, because once the PET is out of the bottle recycling stream it is permanently removed from this recycling loop and new PET needs to be produced to compensate.

[–] Nariom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

while i can appreciate the goal and potential result, those attached caps are terribly impractical, i wish they'd find a better solution

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Do you know that these caps can be overextended? They have a second open position, where they are opened at ~180°. At that position they don't flop back closed and are quite well out of the way.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We just need thousands more little steps. It all adds up. Like the whole plastic straws debacle. While mocked, it’s one more little step.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, the big problem is that each of these steps takes monumental effort while yielding only very little result.

At the current pace, new areas of plastic waste generation are added much faster than old areas are removed.

While we were busy banning plastic straws and plastic bags and stuck the cap onto the bottle, the plastic garbage production industry added thousands new types of unrecyclable products.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I don’t disagree.

[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

Simon Clark had a pretty good nuanced video on recycling and goes over plastics recycling in the latter parts of the video https://youtu.be/iOtrvBdRx8I

TL;DW Consider the environmental impact of systems over materials, most plastic doesn’t get recycled but some types of plastic are highly recyclable, existing plastic is undervalued, reduce > reuse > recycle.

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know what % of plastic the cap comprises in a plastic bottle but I bet its double digits. So annoying as it is to use, attaching the cap to the bottle does make sense for recycling. It also lessens litter.

But it needs to be paired up with a deposit refund scheme. Lots of countries do this already and encourages circular economies - the soft drinks companies purchasing recycle material to reuse. I bet those schemes measured a significant jump in recovered plastic when virtually all the caps come back with the bottles.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Annoying? Am I the only one who thinks it's more convenient? The cap cannot fall, you can open it one handed, you cannot lose the cap...

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 12 hours ago

from what i can tell it's like half a percent of a percent of people who give a singular thought to it beyond "oh they changed it"

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Not only that, but the plastic in the cap is actually made of plastic that is better recyclable than the rest of the bottle.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Thanks for explaining, I was worried this was a band aid mesure which didn't solve to root cause. /s

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was interested in that whole ecoli eating plastic and producing 95% acetaminophen from it by mass. Maybe we can stop a lot of the plastic from water/soda bottles and just medicate ourselves till our livers shit themselves out our assholes.

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The root problem is that plastic can be recycled but many countries to not motivate their populations to recycle, nor their industries to use reusable containers or to purchase recycled materials and create circular economies. In countries that do have deposit return schemes, reuse & recycling rates are far higher. I see attaching the cap to the bottle as way to squeeze a little more % out of those schemes.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 12 hours ago

while technically true it's not accurate, the real reason to attach the cap is simply that we don't fucking want bottlecaps strewn about everywhere.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 252 points 1 day ago (26 children)

That's an EU regulation, not a corporate measure. And it has drastically decreased the amount of littered bottle caps, so a good thing.

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

I was interested in that whole ecoli eating plastic and producing 95% acetaminophen from it by mass. Maybe we can stop a lot of the plastic from water/soda bottles and just medicate ourselves till our livers shit themselves out our assholes.

Also it means recycle schemes get a % boost because a lot more bottles come back for recycling with their caps. I wouldn't be surprised if the cap is 10-20% of the total plastic in a bottle so caps were missing then that's wasted opportunity.

I remember as a kid when ring pulls on case used to detach and that's the same thing too. I remember my dad metal detecting on the beach and he'd recover dozens of ringpulls because people just tossed them.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago
[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 143 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I think the cap thing is more about littering because in those countries people litter only the cap for some reason?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 216 points 1 day ago (7 children)

When cleaning up beaches and the like, those caps are the litter they found the most.

People lost them or didn't bother to pick them up because they are so small. Unlike with the bottles themselves.

Since they switched to the new caps, the amount of caps found has decreased significantly.

So yes, they work. It is all based on data.

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