Sometimes I wish this would happen so that the USA would 180 and invade Israel instead, but like the USS Liberty is evidence that the opposite would happen and the government would just cover it up and send Israel another billion dollars
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We'd do like that guy who dick cheney shot in the face, and apologize to the Israelis that they bombed us.
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does "national honour" justify starving tens of thousands of children and civilians?
Of course. That is how nationalism works.
Nationalism isn't something evil inherently, I like to remind of the "singing revolution", a peaceful separatists movements of the baltic states to split ties with the soviet occupying force:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way
But it can very quickly turn into something evil if utilized by powerhungry regimes
Nationalism as a political ideology and nationalism as advocacy for independence of people sharing national identity that isn't broadly recognized as official nation are two different things sharing the same name. Nationalism as political ideology is inherently evil, as it puts interests of an artifical construct above interests of people, with specific attention put to ingroup and outgroup dynamics. Separatists movements aren't inherently evil, with the desire of liberation being usually something everyone can stand behind, but if those movements co-opt the nationalist ideology, then they may be classified as evil in my book. Or evil-er. There are no perfect victims and such.
I feel like it's a meaningful distinction to make.
I disagree with this argument solely for the fact that nationalism as a FUNCTION arises out of a desire to form a cohesive cultural identity that can be defined and can ostensibly provide context for people's place in a society; something that occurs across the scale of human settlements, but which in our current age manifests primarily in association to a nation-state. I think the point you're trying to make is that nationalism as an IDEOLOGY is weak and highly prone to exploitation, leading to its broad application by people with evil intentions.
Also, a reminder that the Confederacy was definitively a separatist movement.
Nationalism as a function, to use your terms, doesn't have to specifically be a result of a desire for cultural identity. It might, but when speaking of it as a function it has a narrower meaning and doesn't have to carry additional baggage like that, though it may often imply it. When speaking of nationalism as ideology, it definitely fits my definition of evil, by putting artifical values above the wellbeing of people, which nationalism does by definition. Following that logic, nationalism as function isn't necessarily evil (though it may be if you flavor it with racism or such, like Confederation did), while nationalism as ideology necessarily is. I'm not sure what specifically you were disagreeing with, so I hope I made my point clearer.
Nationalism vs Patriotism
Nationalism - identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Patriotism - the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
Zionists are blood thirsty monsters that should be stopped by the world. Stomp their ideology out.
Zionists don't care about lives besides their own. I find it so ironic how the US calls itself the land of the free yet sides with genociders. you would've thought that after the USS Liberty incident the US would've had second thoughts about being allied with Israel
I love how Netanyahu have him a golden pager
Just a reminder for taco to stay in line.
When I saw the news about the impeachment vote, I had the thought "what if they don't want to replace him just yet because they assume Iran will assassinate him and he'll be gone?"
This just adds to that idea.
Should have been one at the GOP convention.
If this ever happens, watch the liberal media still ask people they condemn khamas when talking about this.
It's antisemitic to make Israelis look bad by highlighting what they say to each other.
You are only allowed to hear official, sanitised responses from English speaking israelis.
Agreed, I think if we translate more of these we are in for a bad time.
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<Seattle goes up in smoke because foreigners don't understand the difference between Washington state and Washington DC>
I guarantee that a random Italian living in a tiny nowhere village knows more about the US than your average US citizen knows about Italy. I don't know a single person who doesn't know the difference between Washington state and Washington the city.
I have however spoken to Americans who couldn't point to the United States on an atlas.
To be fair if we're talking geographically, it'd be more fair to compare knowledge of the US to knowledge of the whole of Europe.
If we're talking about history it's a bit different.
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