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[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Cracks me the fuck up the rest of the world thinks this now.

This has been the case since Bush passed Citizens United and it was even happening before that. RIP Rosenbergs.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I thought Citizens United was an Obama thing. Are you sure you don't mean the Patriot Act?

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's gotta be ~~criminals~~ non-ICE who exploit this. Like it must be so easy now for ransomers to kidnap somebody.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What may have been the largest organized protests in American history were just a few days back, the president has record-breakingly low approval, even his own party's talking heads are turning against him. If you're not going to be satisfied by anything short of armed uprising then at least be brave enough to say as much, but pretending that Americans just don't see anything wrong and aren't doing anything is an act of wilful and blatant ignorance.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't rest on your laurels just yet. You'll know when you've begun to turn the tide because the beast will lash out. The restraint we are seeing right now just means they've got a whole lot more in the tank.

You dont have to look further than last October to see this same type of hubris play out. Kamala had momentum and there was 100% a point where if the vote happend then she would have won. For what ever reason they backed off on the "weird" stuff and started rolling out the neocons. The DNC is going to fuck you and you wont even see it coming.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're only proving that you don't actually have any idea what's going on here, acting like we're resting on our laurels because there was a big protest. Nobody here is thinking "Yeah we made ourselves heard, job's done!" Nobody here says the fight is won, but you're out here acting like nothing is being done at all.

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[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I mean America is a fascist regime. And you know who support fascism? Fascists. So I guess most fascists are kinda OK with what's happening.

That's not denial, that's full endorsement.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (7 children)

If you see Ice agents covering their faces, call 911 and report a masked man with a gun.

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please forgive my ignorance but isn't the police force in USA known for its violence and profiling? Wouldn't they be "in" on it, too?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

ICE isn't alerting local law enforcement of what's happening. They get a call about a masked gunman and they'll show up.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How long will people

The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go "why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake"

Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

funny how you never hear from the "cold dead hands" guys when tyranny actually happens

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Generally people in America don’t get organized until there’s a disaster. That’s one of the lessons of the Great Depression/New Deal. Not the most optimal way to maintain democracy. It’s not really “maintenance” if you wait for the thing to break and then fix it.

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[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think the line between a liberal democracy and fascism is much blurrier than most people think. I suspect the transition from one to the other, going in either direction, is entirely dependent on how much internal forces threaten the ruling capitalist class.

Right now, I think the US is on the decline but hasn’t yet experienced a crisis which really threatens the power of the capitalist class. Fascists seeking power therefore need to manufacture crises in order to accumulate power. That’s where I think the US is at right now.

However, I’m not sure how well it will really work. Democratic state leaders are effectively demonstrating that the existing law enforcement structures are perfectly capable of violently cracking down on dissent. So if you’re a wealthy capitalist, why would you push your bought and paid for judges and politicians to make Trump president for life? It seems like a needlessly risky move in my opinion.

That said, we can only say that the rich will operate rationally to protect their own interests on average. Individually, they can be wildly erratic like Elon Musk has proven to be. As such, the more wealth is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, the less predictable the outcomes are.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (19 children)

There are still people here who still make the excuse that Harris is just as bad as Trump, you guys are fucked as a country

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[–] andybytes@programming.dev 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

America supported the Nazis during World War II. It was all just a weaken Russia. And it's never really just one thing. You know, it's multiple things. The control structure feeds into itself many different ways. It's almost as if we live in and like a spider's web. Our sole existence on this planet is to support the control structure and that control structure is worse than fascism. Capitalism in crisis creates the populist movements, especially the "good old days types" To crawl out of their crevices and beat their chest, and basically be guided like a horse by the ruling class in order for us to tear ourselves apart in order for law and order to set in and the new standards to begin.. I mean we are one of the most subservient and cucked societies that's ever existed in human history. This will all become more apparent as the climate changes, and we all become climate refugees.I think liberals are becoming more radical and yet they don't realize that the majority of the real left wing in America has already viewed America as a fascist regime for a long time. Also, some of these liberal movements I think will be co-opted and kind of turned into fascist action. I mean liberals are honestly the number one reason why we have no progress in this country. They occupy the space that should be filled with people that understand the evils of capitalism. But we remember Nancy Pelosi talking about a free market economy, whatever the fuck that means. I mean that bitch is too busy counting her money and getting her hair done. To be more specific, America is an imperialist empire, and fascists are the useful idiots of empire. Yankees live in a vacuum. The libturds are always late to the party. I literally could of had kids. I was on the path and I chose not to because I knew too much. And so that's why I can say things so "negatively" and freely. I see the world as it is, not as I want it to be. My ear has been to the ground for a long time. I've read a lot, listen to a lot. I've seen a lot. There is no war but the class war i can guarantee that. Capitalism is a system of the lowest common denominator. It is reflexive based upon emotion and not needs. We won't solve our problems using this current economic system. Artificial intelligence is scary because it's stupid, not because it's actually capable of being accurate or helpful. And we literally feed into it. Without us, it does nothing. It needs data sets. It needs certain things. One of those things will be water. Just basic public utilities is gonna be shit and way out of reach for most people. There will be more homelessness and they'll just throw them in prison and make them work for free. They'll trick you in to taking out credit that you can't pay because they want to put you in jail. All these things have happened in history. It's just a lazy man's solution to a problem, especially when they just view you as cattle. The people at the top are by far the most cruel and unprincipled disgusting human beings that have ever existed in society. We live in an inversion. A world where evolution is an exponential decay function.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I read you thing, bro, it did not fall on deaf ears. Bit chaotic and rambling. Type the tune of the imperial march if youre not a robot.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Now? You think this happens at the drop of a hat? The entire system is built that way since decades.

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[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 107 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

It's not even new. They did this to people during 2020 protests. They drove up in mini vans jumped out, grabbed people and pulled them into the mini van and drove off.

There used to be footage of it but I haven't been able to find it. I think it was happening in Portland and Seattle. At the time there was live stream footage. And it usually happened later in the night as people were cooling off and dispersing.

America hasn't been what it preaches for half century at least.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/evelyn-bassi-illegal-abudction-portland-protests-1357279/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portland/

The video snopes talks about I saw. Possibly even live streaming at the time because I was hooked on watching all that. Iirc it was a bronze gold colored minivan and the sliding door opened and 1 or two guys got out masked and just grabbed the person and pulled the protestor in and drove off.

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[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty much every other sign at the protests on Saturday openly called the situation fascism. "No fascist USA" was a common chant across America. LA erupted in civil unrest when fascists rolled up and starting trucking people out by the dozen, and people everywhere roared in protest.

Many of us have noticed. Many of us are working on it. We need to organize. We need to band together. We need to convince people that it's not hopeless, that it's not just more of the same and that it's not inevitable.

Together we can change things. We need to do everything we can to grind the wheels of fascism to a halt. Feel free to help!

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[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

For some it'll probably take til his fourth

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